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Post by bee_rider »

araes wrote: post #216
crmd wrote: post #28

I wonder if this "opening" of the operating system is their way of putting the metaverse project out to pasture - analogous to donating it to the Apache Foundation - without admitting that the company burned $36 billion on a misadventure.

How does any company burn $36 billion on a headset they got handed a prototype for? At a reasonable $100k/yr and 50% overhead, that's 240,000 years of labor. ~5000 human lifetimes. At a .gov labor rate of 2080 hrs/yr, that's 500,000,000 hrs of work wasted? For mediocre "not a product rendering" that looks like 90's Second Life? I'm not usually the graphic resolution crowd, yet that was rather underwhelming. Could'a j…

I want to make a snarky comment about how any reasonable person would want 10x that to work for Facebook but 500 human lifetimes is still a wild amount of time for what they’ve gotten.

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Post by squigz »

b_d98 wrote: post #159

While good, Meta is likely to attempt to form a walled-garden in the vein of IOS and even Android to an extent. What I’d really hope for is a general-purpose computing platform with root access for the user, As I believe that mixed reality headsets have the potential to overtake both the smartphone and the PC as the default compute device of choice.

Is there any such solution in the VR space, even if not state-of-the-art?

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Post by PaulHoule »

woopsn wrote: post #236
idle_zealot wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not complex or dazzling terms. Artificial intelligence is software that seems intelligent. Virtual reality is a simulated environment that you can immerse yourself in through small screens and head tracking. Mixed reality is virtual reality overlayed on your real environment. See also "augmented reality". The metaverse is the web, but replace websites with 3d environments and add some sort of personal avata…

People seem to think I have trouble understanding what the terms refer to. That's not my point -- you're right in that they are not complex. But why is virtual reality associated with small screens and head tracking? Why wasn't Everquest on a CRT "virtual reality"? A lot of software calculates probabilities over some distribution, why isn't all that "artificial intelligence"? Why isn't my Subaru's cruise control and…

These terms have a way of burning people out. I hesitate to use blockchain and A.I. in the same sentence because that's a sure sign the person doesn't have anything to say.

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Post by creativenolo »

LZ_Khan wrote: post #143
woopsn wrote: post #109

I know I'm fighting the overwhelming tide here, but what the hell is "mixed reality"? What is "the metaverse"? For that matter what is "artificial intelligence"? Stop trying to dazzle and just use words, if the technology is revolutionary then it will be. An automobile is not the magic carpet, a cell phone is not a soulmate, etc. Otherwise fuck it -- TV is virtual reality, getting high augmented reality, TI-84 calcul…

I think "mixed reality" is the marketing term for augmented reality. Easier to understand for some people.

Typically “mixed reality” is used to mean mixing your vision with virtual content. Whereas, “augmented reality” has typically meant displaying a live video feed on a single screen.

They are two quite different experiences and use cases. Once both are common it would make sense to call both augmented reality but I haven’t heard any better terms for describing the difference to people yet.

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Post by PaulHoule »

drdaeman wrote: post #258
Aaronstotle wrote: post #220

I won't touch VR/AR until the technology progresses to the point where its nealry indistinguishable from regular sunglasses/eye-glasses. I have yet to use any VR device that made me want to purchase it, its all felt insanely gimmicky, so far the only time a headset seems nice is on a plane ride. I can see the potential, still seems a long way off imo.

Typically frames are made very light, so they won't make too much pressure on one's ears and nose. Unless someone runs a fiber to a frame, then keep the rest in a backpack or belt bag or something, I doubt it's physically possible to pack all the necessary additional hardware keeping it nearly indistinguishable from a frame without it.

That CPU or battery puck for Apple Vision Pro, Magic Leap, and some others is a real killjoy. It makes it certain you won't be using fitness apps.

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Post by andygeorge »

woopsn wrote: post #236
idle_zealot wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not complex or dazzling terms. Artificial intelligence is software that seems intelligent. Virtual reality is a simulated environment that you can immerse yourself in through small screens and head tracking. Mixed reality is virtual reality overlayed on your real environment. See also "augmented reality". The metaverse is the web, but replace websites with 3d environments and add some sort of personal avata…

People seem to think I have trouble understanding what the terms refer to. That's not my point -- you're right in that they are not complex. But why is virtual reality associated with small screens and head tracking? Why wasn't Everquest on a CRT "virtual reality"? A lot of software calculates probabilities over some distribution, why isn't all that "artificial intelligence"? Why isn't my Subaru's cruise control and…

> why is virtual reality associated with small screens and head tracking?

...because that's what it is? surely you understand that the difference between 3D, near-eye displays and traditional 2D screens warrants a different label

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Post by PaulHoule »

ketchupdebugger wrote: post #194
technotony wrote: post #9

"we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms." - I feel like this might be the rub of this. Google is way behind in building the android of spatial computing, and maybe this can play into the trust busting cases where meta can show Google not playing fair?

Meta is desperate to get devs to develop apps on their platform. It is the only way to get more interest in VR. Devs dont want to be on it because there are no customers, consumers don't want it because there's no apps. They've been trying to market it hard but nothing has worked. They tried to brand it as a fitness device, a work device, and a game device, but the consumers are not biting.

They are selling plenty of games. The issue though is that the Meta Quest consumer is cheap and would rather buy an MQ2 at a discount than an MQ3.

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Post by wredue »

smeej wrote: post #36

Am I the only weirdo who does not want, under any circumstance, to move to a world where head-mounted computer systems are normal? It's bad enough we have the things in our pockets. I don't want mine mounted in front of my eyes. I can hear the replies already, "If you don't want one, don't use one," but if something becomes normal enough, the outside world does change around it. Why invest in street signs, for exampl…

If we had lightweight reality augmenting glasses (as in not much more than a pair of reading glasses), I’d have that in a heartbeat depending on use.

But yeah, I’d personally not want much beyond that.

Of course, to each their own.

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Post by johnfn »

woopsn wrote: post #236
idle_zealot wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not complex or dazzling terms. Artificial intelligence is software that seems intelligent. Virtual reality is a simulated environment that you can immerse yourself in through small screens and head tracking. Mixed reality is virtual reality overlayed on your real environment. See also "augmented reality". The metaverse is the web, but replace websites with 3d environments and add some sort of personal avata…

People seem to think I have trouble understanding what the terms refer to. That's not my point -- you're right in that they are not complex. But why is virtual reality associated with small screens and head tracking? Why wasn't Everquest on a CRT "virtual reality"? A lot of software calculates probabilities over some distribution, why isn't all that "artificial intelligence"? Why isn't my Subaru's cruise control and…

> But why is virtual reality associated with small screens and head tracking?

Because this improves the quality of VR.

> Why wasn't Everquest on a CRT "virtual reality"?

It is an extremely limited form of VR.

> why isn't all that "artificial intelligence"?

It is an extremely limited form of AI.

> Why isn't my Subaru's cruise control and lane keeping technology "autopilot" or "self driving"?

It is an extremely limited form of "self driving". (To be more precise, it's Level 1 self autonomy.)

> Why isn't the elevator controller an "agent"

It is an extremely limited form of an agent.

> Why aren't my own servers "clouds"?

They are extremely limited forms of a cloud. (Though I would argue that a cloud needs to be provided by a third party.)

> I don't need the terminology explained, I'm just tired of it.

It sounds like you are refusing to understand how experiences fall somewhere on a spectrum. Is me and my friend tossing a ball around in my backyard "baseball"? What if we get 7 more friends and stand on a diamond and run around the bases? If I come back afterwards and say "we played baseball", even though it wasn't an MLB-regulated official game adjudicated by umpires, are you going to get really upset at me and say that I'm lying and I didn't really play "baseball"? The same principle applies to everything else you've listed here.

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