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Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by rietta »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #260
arcastroe wrote: post #244

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I like the overall message of the two passages, promoting hard work and valuing skill. But I dont like that both passages emphasize working for someone else. I agree with OP's sentiment of working for yourself, even if that means producing no income at all and learning your skills in a self-motivated manner as a hobby.

> But I dont like that both passages emphasize working for someone else. Yeah. I was reading GP's interesting thoughts and was thinking: "At least I already got the part about not working for human masters right" !

We are always serving someone or something.

For many, money is their master. Or prestige is their master. Or self image is their master. Or personal desires are their master. Since this thread quoted bible, I will point out Jesus said (it is rendered in red letters) that "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money" (Matthew 6:24).

Anyway, I am not trying to hijack this thread and sermonize or anything. Just tying up a loose end that forms a important basis for how I personally have grown to understand the world.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by mecha_ghidorah »

rietta wrote: post #261
TacticalCoder wrote: post #260

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> But I dont like that both passages emphasize working for someone else. Yeah. I was reading GP's interesting thoughts and was thinking: "At least I already got the part about not working for human masters right" !

We are always serving someone or something. For many, money is their master. Or prestige is their master. Or self image is their master. Or personal desires are their master. Since this thread quoted bible, I will point out Jesus said (it is rendered in red letters) that "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot…

> "Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. "

I really wish I understood the original language for this because both sides of this or sound essentially synonymous to me, so I don't really get the "either" part of it.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by justanotherjoe »

rietta wrote: post #239

I appreciate the author's perspective, but my approach in life has been based largely on two biblical verses that I memorized in childhood. Those are 1) "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters" (Colossians 3:23) and 2) "Do you see someone skilled in their work? They will serve before kings; they will not serve before officials of low rank" (Proverbs 22:29). The…

I think either way you are trying to appease the superego. For secular people the superego is the Tribe (capital T). For religious people they have their God(s). Our brain is hardwired to care how we're looked at. The superego has their demands and they are similarly implacable no matter who you are. But at least with religion it's kinda clear what God wants.

The only way you can do what the author suggests, to do it for yourself, is if you have all your needs met already. Otherwise, you'd feel that making art is a bit of a waste of time, or you'd rationalize it by making it about status somehow.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by Brajeshwar »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #255
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #189

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> Now, you are having fun or making fun of us. Yes ;). I have become somewhat… jaded , in my view of the current tech scene. I’m sure that some of it is just sour grapes, on my part, but that doesn’t make the problem any less real. I don’t really feel like going through my posting history, but there’s been a number of times that I’ve been “OK, Boomer”ed, here (I suspect that you’d need to turn on I See Dead Posts to…

Huh. I'm assuming that it's this reply that earned the thread a closure. As far as I know, it wasn't flagged (but I may not know that). It still has positive karma. Was it because I mentioned a particular HN setting? I would certainly appreciate knowing what I did to earn the Ire of The Gods. I doubt it was mentioning ageism. We talk about that, all the time, and some folks get pretty insulting about it, without gett…

I've absolutely no idea about the closure, et al. I also don't flag or downvote anything on HackerNews. But hey, between you and me, I love reading your comment. Thanks.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by nraford »

rietta wrote: post #261
TacticalCoder wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I dont like that both passages emphasize working for someone else. Yeah. I was reading GP's interesting thoughts and was thinking: "At least I already got the part about not working for human masters right" !

We are always serving someone or something. For many, money is their master. Or prestige is their master. Or self image is their master. Or personal desires are their master. Since this thread quoted bible, I will point out Jesus said (it is rendered in red letters) that "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot…

This is truly lovely. Whether you're faithful or not, the wisdom of these lines resonates to this day. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by nraford »

winternett wrote: post #256
didip wrote: post #243

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What's wrong with monetizing every little thing? Our time is limited and capitalism is expensive. Just make sure you enjoy the process.

Monetizing passions is essential these days... The music studio doesn't really improve unless you generate money to build it up, computers, guitars, mixing tools, studio monitors etc., all cost an enormous amount of money. A hobbyist is far different from an enthusiast, and I think thats the distinction that many of people who say "I don't need to make money for my work" simply don't get... By spending money generate…

Monetizing kills passion in 99.999% of cases.

In the US, or many other developing countries (i.e., those without a robust social security mechanism), the only way most of us can afford to pursue our passions to a high degree of performance is through cross-subsidization with a "real job".

The benefits that passion provide to a rounded life, better mental health, sense of perspective and so on are far worth the price paid, assuming your day job can finance it appropriately.

It's either that or poverty, which works OK for some until they have or want a family, get sick, have to take care of their parents or worse.

Monetizing passion is a shitty Faustian Bargain imposed upon us by the time and place we live in, unfortunately.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by sph »

nottorp wrote: post #177
sph wrote: post #56

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Not until my dying breath. The English language is a mess because of its haphazard evolution mostly driven by immigration over centuries. Which is what bugs me about native grammar mistakes: only native people make them. No one that has learned English as second language could ever construct "could of" as it makes no sense. And the act of being defiant is very very different than being definite about something. Yet p…

> The English language is a mess because of its haphazard evolution mostly driven by immigration over centuries. No. Every language evolves, even those in countries with zero to very little immigration. Usually towards simplification. I've lived enough to notice my native Romanian getting 'dumbed down' and we can count immigrants here on just a few hands. However, in the 2000s I've ran across a collection of 1920s ar…

Every language evolves. English evolved haphazardly, and gained all its rules, inconsistent pronunciation, and exceptions because of its very history and immigration by Angles, Saxons, Celts, Franks, Vikings in a period where a reference text like the King James bible didn't exist yet. At least that's how I understand it.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by BlueTemplar »

detourdog wrote: post #249
BlueTemplar wrote: post #184

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Reaganomics are more likely to have been a consequence (of US' peak oil) than a cause of prosperity starting to dive back to the normal.

I don't quite understand what you are saying. The 1980's so the deregulation and the invention of financial products that changed wealth exponentially.

Yet you're the one that said that before it was "pretty easy to get by on very little money".

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by anonzzzies »

_akhe wrote: post #222
anonzzzies wrote: post #53

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People say this but I never saw it matter like you say. I know many ux/ui people in my network who I ask for feedback and help; I have never seen any difference in uptake from the vanilla theme version I did myself through to months of tweaking these guys did. Sure it looks tons nicer but it doesn’t reflect at all in (measured) user satisfaction, signups or usage. The default themes these days (shadcn etc) don’t make…

Would it change anything if Hacker News was redesigned to look exactly like Reddit's UI? Because a lot of people would not want that. Behind the scenes, there are a lot of similarities between the two sites - but doesn't the fact that they look so different actually make them different? If you're saying design doesn't matter at all then changing the look of Hacker News to be like Reddit should have no effect on user…

Yes, you have a good point. And you are right about minimalism; I think though this is different in the way you state this example; reddit is now made to be annoying to make money with ads and data collection: I believe no one likes that. A better example would be: how about remake hn with shadcn ; I don’t think many would mind if it was still fast (which is not design anyway); it’s functional and clean. Reddit (new) is functional nor fast… that is not all design but js and all kinds of browser functionality hijacking to make it more likely you click on ads, lose your track so you go browse other things etc.

Re: Stop Acting Like You're Famous

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Post by rietta »

mecha_ghidorah wrote: post #262
rietta wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are always serving someone or something. For many, money is their master. Or prestige is their master. Or self image is their master. Or personal desires are their master. Since this thread quoted bible, I will point out Jesus said (it is rendered in red letters) that "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot…

> "Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. " I really wish I understood the original language for this because both sides of this or sound essentially synonymous to me, so I don't really get the "either" part of it.

Great question! I am not an ancient greek scholar, but it could be a way to add emphasis. Like how “Truly, truly” was used to emphasize.
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