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Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by subroutine »

Manheim wrote: post #216

Paying a nominal amount for each stream is one matter; however, compensating nothing for smaller quantities while you pay for larger amounts presents a fundamentally different issue. This scenario is akin to an author not receiving royalties for the first 1,000 books sold in a bookstore, or a manufacturer not being paid for the first 1,000 candy bars sold at a grocery store. Such practices can be equated with theft.…

That's not quite right. If they do reach 1000 plays they will be compensated for the first 1000 plays (which is like $4 dollars), and all streams thereafter.

What would you change about contract legislation to prevent this?

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Post by breakfastduck »

ornornor wrote: post #238
poszlem wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Or maybe it’s written by someone who has a larger vocabulary and knows when to use a semicolon? Trying to guess whether something was written by AI or not is, to me, akin to reading tea leaves. Furthermore, I don’t think there is a reliably consistent way to tell if a piece of text is AI generated or not so if you can tell better than randomly, you’ll make a fortune.

author has already responded saying they wrote it then fed it through GPT because they're not native English speaker.

So they were right on the money.

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Post by worble »

anentropic wrote: post #172

> Since going public on the stock market in 2018, the company has lost money every year they don't even have a business model the whole thing is a massive scam that devalues music just to earn some VCs a big payout it's like if I said I was going to "disrupt the supermarket industry" by giving away free food

> it's like if I said I was going to "disrupt the supermarket industry" by giving away free food

Please don't give investors any ideas...

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Post by coldtea »

poszlem wrote: post #231
Manheim wrote: post #216

Paying a nominal amount for each stream is one matter; however, compensating nothing for smaller quantities while you pay for larger amounts presents a fundamentally different issue. This scenario is akin to an author not receiving royalties for the first 1,000 books sold in a bookstore, or a manufacturer not being paid for the first 1,000 candy bars sold at a grocery store. Such practices can be equated with theft.…

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>Has anyone else noticed that? I find the use of words like "akin" and "perplexing" to be fairly good hints, as well as things like using ";" for punctuation (which is very rarely used in normal online speech).

I use "akin" relatively frequently, and "perplexing" ocassionally, as well as other such "rare" (?) words. Is english vocabulary beyond the top-1000 most common words or anything above 2 syllables considered a sign of AI these days?

If anything marks it as AI, it's the overall tone and phrasing (too "mechanistic"), not the use of ";", "akin" or "perplexing".

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Post by keeperofdakeys »

snailmailman wrote: post #11

I don’t know much about how music licensing works. But would this cause smaller musicians to decide to pull their stuff off Spotify? I listen to a lot of music on Spotify. And some of it is from smaller indie artists. Not a huge amount, but I’ve definitely listened to songs that are in that It surprises me how much of my Spotify library is no longer available. There’s at least a few dozen songs in my Spotify library…

And maybe it wasn't removed by their choice. Below is a video of someone who had all their Spotify music removed with no recourse, due to a claim the were buying streams. No recourse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVY7-Ti77UQ

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Post by tzs »

poszlem wrote: post #231
Manheim wrote: post #216

Paying a nominal amount for each stream is one matter; however, compensating nothing for smaller quantities while you pay for larger amounts presents a fundamentally different issue. This scenario is akin to an author not receiving royalties for the first 1,000 books sold in a bookstore, or a manufacturer not being paid for the first 1,000 candy bars sold at a grocery store. Such practices can be equated with theft.…

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> as well as things like using ";" for punctuation (which is very rarely used in normal online speech)

For many of us our "normal online speech" is largely identical to our normal written speech except when writing somewhere where we either are not using a normal sized physical keyboard or where posts need to be severely limited in length.

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Post by suction »

breakfastduck wrote: post #262
ornornor wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe it’s written by someone who has a larger vocabulary and knows when to use a semicolon? Trying to guess whether something was written by AI or not is, to me, akin to reading tea leaves. Furthermore, I don’t think there is a reliably consistent way to tell if a piece of text is AI generated or not so if you can tell better than randomly, you’ll make a fortune.

author has already responded saying they wrote it then fed it through GPT because they're not native English speaker. So they were right on the money.

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Post by drstewart »

VS1999 wrote: post #48
_3u10 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re free to cancel, and I’m sure customer service would give you the refund on the extra cost for the first month. I’ve noticed this in restaurants too, they just change the price like a normal business in an inflationary environment. I bet you get raises too, or ask for them and move on if you don’t get them.

I have no idea how that relates to what I wrote. Edit: Actually I see now, you're replying to where I said they bought services and raised prices without the customer consent. If we're using a restaurant comparison, it'd be like your local burger shop raising prices because your meal comes bundled with discounted carwashes. Consumers generally don't want bundles, they want to buy the thing they're interested in.

Thank you. I don't understand why Spotify licenses all this rock and rap music when I'm only interested in pop music. So ridiculous. Why can't they just exclude all the stuff I don't care about?

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Post by hashtag-til »

Manheim wrote: post #243
poszlem wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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true, I first wrote it in my own words, and then I used gpt to improve the English since I'm not English language native. So well spotted. However, what would you/ people prefer, lesser formulations, or precise GPT? Of course, I should improve my English skills. I'm always working on that. Here is the work process: https://chat.openai.com/share/648d0c85-9661-4096-afcc-f92779...

The original text is fine. No need to manicure it via gpt. Who are you trying to please?

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Post by Macha »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #97
jzzskijj wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It surprises me how much of my Spotify library is no longer available. There’s at least a few dozen songs in my Spotify library that have been taken off the platform. It shows up in the list greyed out. A lot of good songs too. This probably has more to do with publishers and licensing contracts than artists pulling their music off from platforms. Sometimes even bigger artists' albums disappear when publisher is so…

A lot of that is also bad meta data. I have a few playlists for around 10 years or so. Every so often I have to go in and hunt down greyed out tracks that are no longer there but are available in identical versions elsewhere. Publishers apparently regularly update what they have on the platform and there's a lot of duplication as well between best off albums, remastered albums, etc. And some artists, like Neil Young,…

These disappearing tracks are the reason I moved back to managing my own music collection.

I do have YouTube Music for listening to stuff I don't own yet, but primarily I use Jellyfin these days for music.

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