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That requires iCloud, which is a privacy nightmare even if you opt in to their sometimes-kinda e2ee option (which nobody does). In the default config it is even worse. If you want privacy don’t use iCloud.

Please enlighten me as to how: - iCloud is a privacy nightmare - iCloud e2ee with ADP is sometimes-kinda e2ee

iCloud by default allows Apple to read and see all of your photos, files, and iMessages, as the iMessage sync keys and message history are backed up in non-e2ee fashion. Everything you send and receive via iMessage is visible to Apple and they turn over 70,000+ user accounts of data per year to the USG without a search warrant.

To operate in China, Apple has to run parts of iCloud on CCP-controlled hardware. Presumably this is to preserve the same government surveillance access that Apple explicitly preserved in the USA at the behest of the FBI (as reported by Reuters).

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1ZK1CO/

iCloud syncs the list of recently emailed contacts to Apple, so Apple has your social graph and important contacts even if you don’t use Apple email, iCloud contacts, or iMessage/FaceTime. There is no UI to disable this, it must be done via provisioning profile.

As for ADP - Apple stores file and image plaintext hashes non-e2ee, which allows Apple to see which set of people has unique files, and when. If I make an original meme or document and send it to you, even via AirDrop directly, if we both use iCloud and ADP then Apple knows that we have associated, and when. If you share it to a third person, Apple knows that too. Also, if anyone you iMessage with doesn’t have ADP enabled, your full iMessage conversation history with them remains readable to Apple (and USG et al).

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

> Some metadata and usage information stored in iCloud remains under standard data protection, even when Advanced Data Protection is enabled. For example, dates and times when a file or object was modified are used to sort your information, and checksums of file and photo data are used to help Apple de-duplicate and optimize your iCloud and device storage — all without having access to the files and photos themselves. Representative examples are provided in the table below.

Also, iOS in general is a privacy cesspool. You can’t install apps without identifying yourself to Apple, and doing so sends your IP (coarse location), Apple ID (phone number), and device hardware serials to Apple. You can’t ever change or disable this. Even if you don’t use iCloud, the hardware serials are sent to Apple and it maintains a persistent serial-linked connection to Apple for APNS at all times. This cannot be disabled. Additionally the connections happen early in the boot process so they will bypass any user-installable VPNs (provisioning profiles can use old outdated VPN protocols and I think can load before these connections, but approximately nobody uses VPNs in this fashion).

The moment you install a SIM card in an iPhone, the device serial and SIM card phone number are known to Apple and linked, as it will immediately try to register for iMessage without prompting you. This happens even if you don’t use iCloud, and thus is independent of ADP.

This means that wiping the device and swapping SIM cards is useless from a privacy standpoint, as the subsequent phone numbers will be linked by virtue of the device serial (and will also be linked to your IP, bypassing any UI-configured VPN).

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Why are forced ads still a thing? When given choice, people escape them - via netflix or adblock. The same people spend their free time watching youtube reviews, chatting on gear forums, or recommending each other deals on social media; it looks like people genuinely want to learn about good and fairly priced products. I sincerely hope we’ll find a better way of reaching an audience than forced ads.

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If you are using an ATV or Chromecast, why would you connect your TV itself to the network at all?

The redditor who noticed ads pushed to his LG gaming monitor said he connected it to wifi for updates. I think a lot of people assume that updates are really important and don't expect companies to screw them over with ads.

If it’s not on the network, it doesn’t need updates.

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Just because ads don't work on you doesn't mean they don't work. If ads are cheap and margins for your product are high, you don't care if your ad bounces off of 1,000 people as long as it turns 1 into a paying customer.

Then why the "targeted" ads and data harvesting? For all the effort, ads are still mostly totally irrelevant and may as well be random.

Talk to someone who heavily uses Instagram. I guarantee the ads there have gotten them to buy something. I never succumbed to ads until using IG in the last few years.

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Aorus FO48U is a 48" computer monitor with an LG OLED panel. Only downside is that any resolution/frequency changes need 7 seconds to negotiate.

How often does that change happen in practice?

a) when you turn on the TV

b) most annoyingly, some android TV devices (e.g., nvidia shield, ccwgtv) use renegotiation instead of VRR for framerate matching. The FO48U supports VRR from 48 to 120Hz, which is more than enough to do framerate matching even with blackframe insertion for all desired framerates, but many android TV devices renegotiate instead. That means pressing play on Netflix takes 7 seconds until it starts. Quite annoying.

Still, it's preferable over TVs with shitty built-in OSes.

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Automatic Content Recognition (ACR), it's called, generically. https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/privacy/how-to-t... The TV makers don't need ACR when you are using apps on their OS. Those apps all report the currently playing title to the OS maker. ACR is used for when you watch broadcast TV or anything coming in over HDMI. The margins on TVs are surprisingly small, so being able to show you a few dollars…

It’s somewhat sickening, for essentially making pennies a month per user, all users of the TV have adverts inflicted upon them. When I need to replace my TV, I will happily pay the extra 10s of dollars for one which will never do this.

It's dollars per month. I have heard that Netflix is not charging enough for their ad-free tier to compensate the lost ad revenue.

Pricing an ad-free tier is a bit problematic. You would think that it should cost simply the ad-revenue per user more. However, since the more the ad free tier costs, the more advertisers would pay to reach those customers, the marginal ad revenue is higher. Someone on a hypothetical $30/mo ad-free tier has high disposable income, and is probably not being impressed by many ads already.

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The answer is to buy a computer monitor and just watch on your PC.

That doesn’t quite work for a large screen in a living room, though. Or are there 55 inch computer monitors these days?

Apparently 55" monitors do exist, a quick search yields Dell and Samsung for $2~3K. I don't know about TVs, but similarly sized ones seem available for half or even quarter of that price.

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I'm still not sure the excessive 15x same advert method increases your chances.

If it didn't work they wouldn't do it (and when it stops working they will find something else). Advertising is pretty insidious. I have been adblocking most things for over a decade now and thought I was mostly saving myself from annoyance and wasted time, but in the last 4-5 years in youtube video ads from creators themselves showed up. I only discovered sponsorblock last year so I've only been using it for around…

It only works for the FMCG segment and nothing else. This has been proven decades ago.

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> When the media device pauses the media content, the display device can determine that a pause event has occurred and insert an ad shown on the display device. Hilarious. I love how all the streaming companies are hijacking the pause control now. Why do you think I hit pause? Pick one or more of the following: 1. I need to go to the bathroom. 2. I want to inspect the current frame more carefully. 3. I want to see an…

Number 02 is one of the major one i was thinking of. This shit is evil. I don't see them surviving long if they ever attempted to push this crap.

Eventually everyone will adopt this and there will be no escape from ads outside of jailbreaking your device and flashing oss software.

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Then why the "targeted" ads and data harvesting? For all the effort, ads are still mostly totally irrelevant and may as well be random.

Talk to someone who heavily uses Instagram. I guarantee the ads there have gotten them to buy something. I never succumbed to ads until using IG in the last few years.

I do as well and it's similar random stuff. I guess I'm not a heavy "liker" of posts so maybe that screws up the algo.

I used to be a heavy Facebook user though and in spite of them having loads of data about me and my interests, the ads were crap.

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