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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by jakupovic »

trallnag wrote: post #215
jakupovic wrote: post #204

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Wow you need to step out of your parents basement and experience more of the world rather than made up "models" you play with. I'm sure you don't eat different foods or don't try different spices because of reasons. In any case people like you shouldn't be allowed to judge others and impose any rules on anyone but themselves.

> people like you But other people are allowed to judge?

Difference being singular vs plural. If you told me: "you're ugly" or "you smell bad" I would have to evaluate myself, whereas judging a huge swath of people is not OK, my friend.

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Post by lancesells »

hayst4ck wrote: post #199
jll29 wrote: post #103

I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…

I've watched a fair number of weed smoker's lives (~10) and they fall into two distinct categories. One set smoke weed and then partake in creative, explorative, or otherwise effort filled pursuits. Generally I feel that weed has likely improved their lives. The other set smoke weed and consume... consume tv, consume video games, consume food, consume music. These people seem to fall into a slump that weed seems to p…

I think this is just the population in general. There are those that create more than they consume and those that consume more than they create.

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Post by jakupovic »

xtqv wrote: post #249
trallnag wrote: post #215

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> people like you But other people are allowed to judge?

It's not about simply "allowing" judgment; it's about the credibility of those passing judgment. Experience, education, and critical thinking are the pillars upon which valid judgments stand. Basing one's opinion heavily on one experience, viewed from the outside, is a demonstration of anchoring bias and egocentric bias respectively. Outside perspective cannot include what personal revelations or trauma processing is…

Thank you for a much better explanation I was going for.

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Post by tdudhhu »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #137
tdudhhu wrote: post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

> more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I think you are either intentionally exaggerating, or vastly overestimate the number of people destroying their lives, or underestimate the number of people who use drugs (especially alcohol, consumed by >50% of the US population).

Hidden alcoholism is a huge problem.

There are estimates that 70% of alcohol addiction is hidden.

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Post by AngryData »

npteljes wrote: post #185
ddorian43 wrote: post #156

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Canabis doesn't cause hallucionations. It is often a misconception. They were doing something else most probably.

Cannabis can cause hallucinations! It can do so in at least two ways. One is a somewhat rare primary effect of the consumption, and the other is the triggering of a latent mental disorder. Source: https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtm... . Do note that Erowid calls hallucinations "visuals".

Closed eye visuals/hallucinations is pretty vague because certain levels of closed eye visuals/hallucinations can be seen by completely sober people without even trying and most people would not consider them a hallucination in the common usage of the word. Ive certainly never heard of from others or experienced any unusual closed eye visuals from cannabis outside of seeing it as a tv trope or government anti-drug ad. I could see it being more noticeable or slightly more active than normal while on cannabis certainly but it still seems inaccurate or perhaps deceptive to tell somebody that if they smoke weed they might have hallucinations, at least not without a much more thorough explanation on what kind of hallucination they are talking about.

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

super256 wrote: post #229
Gigachad wrote: post #197

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Same problem with cigarette smoke though.

Cigarettes only smell when being lit, marijuana smells always. And the smell is way more potent. Both suck though, I agree.

Disagree that cigarettes only smell when being lit. The "stale tobacco" and "ashtray" smell sticks to your clothes, your vehicle, your house, basically anywhere where it's consumed. Anyone who smoked and later quit can attest to that, mostly because you go through this period of "Oh my, did I actually smell like that"?

Of course, smoked cannabis is the same. Whatever the smoke touches will leave some sort of residue and it can smell. In my opinion the "stale cannabis" smell is more pleasant than the "stale tobacco" smell, but different people are sensitive to different things.

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Post by hkwerf »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #255
hkwerf wrote: post #70

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It should be noted that a lot of things are still illegal and are being worked on. Two examples: You are not allowed to share cannabis. The amount of THC in your blood that would make it illegal to drive is 1 ng/mL blood serum. This is essentially nothing and can, anecdotally, be triggered by losing weight after consuming.

What’s the mL unit?

milliliter

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Post by AngryData »

chimeracoder wrote: post #10
blueflow wrote: post #4

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This tiny detail makes the difference why employer-mandated drug tests are not a thing in Germany like it is in the US.

> This tiny detail makes the difference why employer-mandated drug tests are not a thing in Germany like it is in the US. It doesn't explain the difference, no, since the same is true about the US. In most states, consumption of most drugs is not a crime - possession, production, distribution, sale, and trafficking are the actual crimes prosecuted.

Unless you drive a car or own a gun in the US, then if you do get a bad drug test result you can easily get charged with a crime. It is not likely to get drug tested in relation to having a gun, but anywhere pushing DUI enforcement is going to be drug testing significant samples of random people and charging people who may have smoked long ago and had all side effects completely subsided but still charged with a DUI offense. You can get active THC in a blood sample up to 3 days after smoking despite the effects lasting hours at best and levels not increasing or decreasing linearly with consumption. And of course metabolites for cannabis can go back up to an entire month.

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

georgeplusplus wrote: post #195
carschno wrote: post #182

While scanning the comments, I observe one recurring argument against the step of legalizing weed: (excessive) use can and will have catastrophic psychological consequences on some of the consumers. I totally agree. It is, however a flawed argument in the context of legalization. One of the arguments for the legalization by the health ministry is that prohibition has been ineffective, factually not avoiding or even r…

My main issue since legalization is I find the smell disgusting. It also imbues and latches itself onto to whatever is around you. Now legalization has people smoking it in my apartment complex or at restaurants and the smell just lingers around my house or on your clothes when your near it. And then Every weed smoker I brought this up to told me tough luck.

I support people being able to consume them but don't see much difference in the person who walks out in public reeking of cannabis than the person who is reeking of alcohol. When you walk around in public smelling of an intoxicant in places where it's not generally consumed in public don't be surprised when/if people look at you sideways.
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