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Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by pfannkuchen »

bnralt wrote: post #164
iamacyborg wrote: post #152

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> Plenty of people are able to enjoy music without getting caught up in nomenclature. The idea that those people aren't real fans always feels very snobbish. If you can't differentiate between neurofunk and liquid, you're probably not a big dnb fan. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it, but enjoying something and being a fan of something can be quite distinct things.

> If you can't differentiate between neurofunk and liquid, you're probably not a big dnb fan. I'll be honest with you, I thought this was satire before I read the next line.

The word “fan” has become really watered down over time. Didn’t it used to be short for “fanatic”? If someone isn’t deeply familiar with the landscape of a genre, then it seems logical to say they aren’t a fanatic.

It may just come down to whether one uses the watered down meaning of “fan” or the original.

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Post by LAC-Tech »

vidarh wrote: post #241
LAC-Tech wrote: post #226

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any school boy knows west of the urals = europe

Most of us are no longer in school, and lots of people forget that as soon as they learn it, but it's also entirely irrelevant to the question of how the term was used . "Europe" is very commonly used as a synonym for the EEA or even just EU many places today, no matter how incorrect that is.

and lots of people forget that as soon as they learn it

Great, then we don't need to hear from these people. They don't need opinions or view points about things they were never intersted in, never learned about, and couldn't be bothered to remember.

"Europe" is very commonly used as a synonym for the EEA or even just EU many places today, no matter how incorrect that is.

The term was very specifically "Continental Europe".

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Post by junon »

luzojeda wrote: post #176
wheels wrote: post #81

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Tourism definitely wasn't a major drag on the techno scene. There's always been the tourist clubs and the clubs that were more underground. Berliners usually don't go to Berlin's best known clubs. (Who the hell goes to Watergate or Tresor? Old joke was that Tresor was the biggest club in Dresden.) I think the biggest drag is actually rent prices. When I got to Berlin 20 years ago you could get a room in a shared flat…

Genuine Q. Do berliner straight dislike any tourist no matter how they behave? I tend to go out in Buenos Aires where I live to more underground clubs and don't mind that there are a few tourists here and there. Im travelling to Berlin and was recommended Tresor, is it just a place for tourists?

> Do berliner straight dislike any tourist no matter how they behave?

No. Maybe some, but not many I've personally met.

> Im travelling to Berlin and was recommended Tresor

Not a bad club, not particular popular with people here. It is well known, though.

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Post by junon »

wheels wrote: post #187
luzojeda wrote: post #176

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Genuine Q. Do berliner straight dislike any tourist no matter how they behave? I tend to go out in Buenos Aires where I live to more underground clubs and don't mind that there are a few tourists here and there. Im travelling to Berlin and was recommended Tresor, is it just a place for tourists?

Hate's not the right word. A lot of clubs have a community around them -- they have their regulars; people go there to see their friends. If there are too many tourists, there's less space for regulars. There are always some tourists, and that's fine, but a lot of those communities that I mentioned a second ago have been choked out by a club eventually being so popular with tourists that the regulars don't bother goi…

This. Also, if you do find the entrance, be prepared to explain what's happening there in some cases, especially if it's a themed night.

Also be prepared to be denied entry. It's allowed and not uncommon, especially for some specific clubs.

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Post by junon »

groestl wrote: post #217
Tenoke wrote: post #191

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Depends on the tourists - there's a lot of tourists that fit in the scene very easily, there's some that don't. It's not a requirement but if you already listen to the artists that are going to be playing you are in the first group. Tresor has pretty decent lineups while still being a bit more touristey but it's not a tourist trap or an ibiza-style club or anything like that. The crowd is generally considered a bit w…

Tresor: As a tourist, could enter because I knew the DJs on the lineup and was wearing a black hoodie. Guy behind me with a fancy shirt got rejected subito, no questions asked.

Meanwhile, at Sisyphos the bouncer thanked me for wearing bright clothing and told the ladies behind me wearing black "this isn't Berghain, ladies".

So research where you're going first! Helped me get in without having to say a word!

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Post by samatman »

jackcosgrove wrote: post #102
picadores wrote: post #70

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Eh, because they do not want people there, who listen to promotions and whatever the socialsewersystems carries as hip to them. Where there is affordable housing, there be musicians doing brave new things instead of worrying about rent and rapping rants about gentrification.

> Where there is affordable housing, there be musicians doing brave new things instead of worrying about rent and rapping rants about gentrification. So I am not a techno aficionado, and I'm curious what the state of Detroit techno is now. It seems like it should be more notable (maybe it is and I'm not in the scene to know) given the history and cost of living. I regret the US turning away from house and techno, com…

> I'm curious what the state of Detroit techno is now

Still got it, never lost it.

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Post by whstl »

ska wrote: post #240
wheels wrote: post #81

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Tourism definitely wasn't a major drag on the techno scene. There's always been the tourist clubs and the clubs that were more underground. Berliners usually don't go to Berlin's best known clubs. (Who the hell goes to Watergate or Tresor? Old joke was that Tresor was the biggest club in Dresden.) I think the biggest drag is actually rent prices. When I got to Berlin 20 years ago you could get a room in a shared flat…

> I think the biggest drag is actually rent prices This is a super common cycle. City gets economically depressed -> rents drop a lot -> lots of young people and artists, etc. move in -> great "scene" develops -> people with a bit more money start moving in because of the scene -> rents rise -> young people and artists move elsewhere -> scene slows or stagnates. Obviously that's an oversimplification, and just becomi…

True, but I feel like in Berlin it was probably more drastic because, apart from gentrification, there was a huge wave of people moving in because of work (especially in tech), and more recently refugees.

Charlottenburg, Steglitz, Wilmersdorf or Wedding were never known for "the scene" but prices still got way higher. And places like Prenzlauer Berg were already gentrified when prices got even crazier.

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Post by samatman »

piva00 wrote: post #116
cookiemonsieur wrote: post #22

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My bad. But the point stands. Complaining about a cultural movement that they have almost entirely gentrified is massively ironic.

I wouldn't say "gentrified", techno just evolved from the Detroit roots, first in the UK and then continental Europe (Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, etc.). Techno came from an already gentrified African-American community in Detroit, the Belleville Three [0] were from a more affluent part of Detroit at the time, inspired by the 70s/80s German and Japanese electronic music scene, it was never like the roots of hip-hop…

Belleville? Affluent??

Lol. Lmao. Belleville is Juggalo country, cuz. Ypsituckians working in auto parts factories.

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Post by treprinum »

Towaway69 wrote: post #160
treprinum wrote: post #120

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Why go to Germany to get a Turkish meal? Any kebab in Istanbul is going to be better than whatever is available in Berlin. Better get some Schweinshaxe mit Sauerkraut...

IIRC Döner Kebab Was invented in Berlin... > The modern sandwich variant of döner kebab originated and was popularized in 1970s West Berlin by Turkish immigrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab

It's still the döner kebab one could buy earlier anywhere in Turkey or MEA just adapted to European city life with different customs and technology. When in Germany visitors should instead taste local dishes not available anywhere else even if they taste weird/bland.
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