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Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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Post by dghlsakjg »

hirako2000 wrote: post #256
dghlsakjg wrote: post #250

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You’re asking for things that you plan to “no true Scotsman”. If I name an institution you will claim it doesn’t count because it isn’t big enough, or that it actually is corrupt by your measure. You have already done this with crypto. I.e. The corruption that occurs in crypto doesn’t count because those weren’t true crypto projects. So in the spirit of the challenge. Tell me how the Adventure Cycling Association is…

I don't see how your qualification is correct as I haven't said no true Scotsman yet. Prejudice already? But your tactic won't prevent me from calling an Irish, what's truly not Scots. I will get to that. No what I have said about crypto was clarify that those accused of corrupted decentralized entities in fact aren't decentralized. And the distinction is non obvious because many centralized entities mingle with dece…

>> You’re asking for things that you plan to “no true Scotsman”. If I name an institution you will claim it doesn’t count because it isn’t big enough, or that it actually is corrupt by your measure.

> I don't see how your qualification is correct as I haven't said no true Scotsman yet. Prejudice already?

> As to the Adventure Cycling Association which I had never heard of, nor heard of any cycling associations having acquired some exclusive control over anything to do with cycling, they may or may not be corrupt, but they aren't centralized institution.

Called it.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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Post by chris_wot »

lupusreal wrote: post #164
tux3 wrote: post #133

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The main concern Wikipedia has with notability is that if you don't have reputable secondary source writing about the topic, then you won't have references for any claims in the article. People just starting adding things that they know, or that "everyone knows". When people disagree about content, Wikipedia always falls back to just reflecting what reliable sources says. And if they disagree, people can always colla…

But "has reputable secondary sources" isn't even close to Wikipedia's real 'notability' determination.

It’s a problem of scale, which they are already hitting. This is where Ibis would be useful.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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Post by nick238 »

arp242 wrote: post #234
hagbard_c wrote: post #214

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> They claim physical reality of the biblical flood There is evidence of the Mediterranean Basin flooding after breach of a land bridge across what is now the Strait of Gibraltar [1,2] some 5 million years ago. In the same way there is some evidence of the Black Sea rapidly expanding some 8000 years ago [3]. Similar 'catastrophic flood' scenarios have played out elsewhere on the planet which has led to the rise of fl…

> In short, Conservapedia does what Wikipedia does but replaces the 'progressive' bias with a 'conservative' one. Conservapedia calls e=mc2 "liberal claptrap".[1] The article on Oppenheimer has "Like other liberals, Oppenheimer was not as smart as he wanted to be" right in the lead and the article itself mostly seems to be about Oppenheimer's communist links more than anything else. Articles like Homosexual Agenda[3]…

The E=mc² article is performative art. The origin of it, if I had to guess, was someone saying "moral relativism is evil" then, "all forms of relativism are evil", then "general and special relativity are evil". I can't really tell if it's an honest view or not, but the related articles also seem to illustrate how hard it is for "big tent conservatism" to form a cohesive world. If Einstein is right, then the speed of light was a constant and matter warps space as we observe with telescopes. If things are billions of light years away, then the world can't be 6000 years old. If the world isn't 6000 years old, the bible isn't literally true in all respects.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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Post by kamray23 »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #106
kamray23 wrote: post #61

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Wikipedia displaced traditional encyclopedias. The number of encyclopedias produced in Finnish fell from ~10 to 1 in the last two decades, that one being fiwiki. The same is true for many languages. What once was a normal thing middle-class families kept in a vitrine is now something old-fashioned and rare. There are no physical copies being printed nor online versions accessible and actively edited. There were onlin…

As I've mentioned in other comments, that's not directly related to the rise of Wikipedia because most people no longer read encyclopedias in the way they used to decades ago. I have a counterexample as well; major encyclopedias and dictionaries in Korea are kept alive by portal websites nowadays, but these portals never tried to adopt kowiki instead. (I was one of earlier administrators in kowiki during that transit…

It's not orthogonal, though. We had online encyclopedias for around a decade, they functioned extremely well, and it was the way people got their information. During the latter part of that decade fiwiki started to really pick up steam (although it was years old by that point) and very quickly every other encyclopedia ran out of users and therefore revenue. The concept worked well, it's the movement of users to a competing product that caused their downfall, and therefore it is definitely fiwiki that is the issue.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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Post by randomguid »

chris_wot wrote: post #60
bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #3

If there's one thing I DON'T want a new version of, it's Wikipedia.

Have you ever tried to edit on Wikipedia? It’s one of the most toxic places on the Internet. I’m partially to blame for that, btw, as I started the admin’s noticeboard.

Yes. They only encourage me more and more to create sockpuppets. I already have a dynamic IP.
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