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Post by charcircuit »

anonzzzies wrote: post #257
charcircuit wrote: post #242

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>is fenced off, so you cannot run vscode No, the only reason you can't run vscode is that no one has put in the effort to port it. It's a problem of financial incentives and not a problem of "fences."

So visionOS is more open than iOS? That would be good. I read it was similar. Edit: so it is indeed similar/same; cannot run normal desktop software even though desktop cpu.

iOS could get vscode too

Edit: Desktop software can be ported to other operating systems. Just because an operating system can't run a different, desktop operating system's software that doesn't mean it can't run desktop software. The CPU is used in iPads too. It is used between 3 different form factors.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by numpad0 »

whateveracct wrote: post #180
Supermancho wrote: post #153

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If a meeting is simplistic enough not to need planning and action items, you don't need a meeting. Make a conference call. If action items are simplistic enough that you don't need to consider calendars for the future, don't need the ability to show the status of existing concerning items, and any reliable information is conveyed via paper, you've got multiple problems. Mostly you have a culture problem, to put it si…

multitasking is a myth. you can't futz with a computer and pay attention.

For people with autofocus, not hyperfocusing and slamming desk is harder than trying to focus.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #212
mvkel wrote: post #211

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Couldn't agree more. I bought an AVP on day one to be used -exclusively- as a monitor extender for coding. It's untenable. The only way I could avoid significant neck/back pain from the weight was to sit in a reclining chair. That wouldn't be a bad coding setup, but my eye strain was pretty significant, too. I ended up returning mine. This is a necessary 1.0 to build out the app ecosystem, etc. but it's absolutely no…

> The only way I could avoid significant neck/back pain from the weight was to sit in a reclining chair Lying on a bed would also do the trick.

doing some pushups also helps

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by mrbuttons454 »

nunez wrote: post #240
dijit wrote: post #147

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I love this comment, I think you're completely right. What I love most about this comment is how it caused me to reflect on what I use daily and get some amount of joy from. When it comes to Apple products in particular I use an Apple Studio display at home, I use it for 10hours per day, every day, and honestly I have no complaints, it's probably one of the best bits of technology I use daily. However, it's completel…

Interesting. I have a Studio Display and it just feels like a huge compromise. There are only two 5K displays on the market that can render macOS at Retina resolution on a 27" panel: this one and the LG Ultrafine, which isn't that much cheaper. My last monitor was a 27" LG QD-OLED 144Hz 4K display. I LOVED that display, but text wasn't sharp because of the Retina resolution problem. I also have a semi-professional we…

macOS does support more than one “virtual” resolution, which I’d consider variable scaling. It’s admittedly less granular than Windows, but it works well enough for me. I have a 27” Acer Predator 4k120 display on my shop Mac, with the virtual resolution set to 2560x1440.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by _xivi »

ngokevin wrote: post #95

When reading about headset experiences, I'd de-weigh any insights that are within 3 months of the first headset purchase. The first few dozen sessions are novel, you get a kick (and social media views) about sharing how completely your life has changed to fit the headset. More often than not, it's collecting dust on the shelf within a few months. Sort of like an expensive blender you were so excited to get, you imagi…

> collecting dust on the shelf within a few months

Not even that, apparently many customers are already returning them[1]. Most of the hype, as usual, is tech reviewers who want to stay relevant.

Early adopters will naturally chase any and every opportunity to make use of them, but in the coming months as novelty wears off, more issues arise, you get the (The ecosystem is just not ready yet)™ and most will be listed on the secondhand market.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/14/24072792/apple-vision-pro...

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by beloch »

ngokevin wrote: post #95

When reading about headset experiences, I'd de-weigh any insights that are within 3 months of the first headset purchase. The first few dozen sessions are novel, you get a kick (and social media views) about sharing how completely your life has changed to fit the headset. More often than not, it's collecting dust on the shelf within a few months. Sort of like an expensive blender you were so excited to get, you imagi…

It shouldn't be surprising that an AR workstation isn't as good as the real thing. If you're at home or at work, the AVP is going to sit on the shelf while you sit at your workstation. While an AR set can, in theory, surround you with code, you can only really focus on one window at a time. Old-fashioned monitors have had a long time to get good at providing that experience.

Still, it would be pretty darned cool to be able to take something even half as good on the road in a package that will easily fit in a backpack!

I am entirely done with Apple and will not be buying any more of their products, but I look forward to the competition that AVP will foster.

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #250
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #244

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Why's that? They can get the weight down to barely more than glasses, and with good pass through video and battery improvements... You'll be pretty unencumbered. Certainly not more encumbered than being glued to your laptop on a desk.

Well it's hard to debate fantasy products given the circularity: "if they create a product that avoids all these problems, then it won't be a problem!". I've not used a laptop (or computer) at a desk for decades, I prefer lying down, which works really well. I do wish there was something between a laptop and a phone though. Interfaces need to improve or innovate, but I don't think VR headsets are the answer. I haven'…

I don't think it's a circular argument. Bigscreen VR is already 127 grams. This is doable in the next decade I think. The question is if there's a better form factor than something you wear on your face.

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Post by anonzzzies »

charcircuit wrote: post #261
anonzzzies wrote: post #257

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So visionOS is more open than iOS? That would be good. I read it was similar. Edit: so it is indeed similar/same; cannot run normal desktop software even though desktop cpu.

iOS could get vscode too Edit: Desktop software can be ported to other operating systems. Just because an operating system can't run a different, desktop operating system's software that doesn't mean it can't run desktop software. The CPU is used in iPads too. It is used between 3 different form factors.

Only the ‘shell’; not all the rest that make it practical. There are a lot of blog posts (a yearly one here) of people trying to code on iPads; they all end badly because Apple allows nothing. It’s fenched off. Nothing to do with lack of incentive to port Xcode; there are plenty of code apps on iPad, they just cannot run real envs (docker, anything other than toy interpreters etc) without rooting.

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Post by jb1991 »

talldatethrow wrote: post #245
jb1991 wrote: post #237

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Why “he”?

My friend sold boats for over 10 years. He said women love going on boats, but he never saw a woman buy a boat in his life. Women love apple products, but if you look at who is splurging on multiple high end apple computers with multiple monitors it's gotta be 95% male.

But I was noticing that the username was “filmgirl”.
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