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Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Post by mckn1ght »

sublinear wrote: post #86
resolutebat wrote: post #62

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My kids already think many recent Fortnite collabs (Star Wars, Marvel, etc) are lame. Hasn't stopped them from playing though. https://www.dexerto.com/fortnite/every-fortnite-collab-cross...

I had the same reaction 20 years ago to Kingdom Hearts. Disney is definitely at risk of becoming irrelevant with their stale IP.

Same reaction here with Magic: the Gathering, and all their collabs (Marvel is on the horizon-ugh) but still enjoy playing the game. And they’re apparently single-handedly keeping Hasbro afloat.

Funny enough Disney also recently launched their own TCG: Lorcana. A whole new way to leverage that IP!

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kmeisthax wrote: post #203
sublinear wrote: post #86

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I had the same reaction 20 years ago to Kingdom Hearts. Disney is definitely at risk of becoming irrelevant with their stale IP.

The thing about Kingdom Hearts is you assume it's a vapid Disney corporate tie-in, but then you play it and realize it's actually a vapid Square Enix corporate tie-in. That's the actual draw for Kingdom Hearts fans: an absolutely incomprehensible mess of a plot[0] that just so happens to use a shitton of Disney and Final Fantasy characters. [0] "Simple and clean is the way it should be..."

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Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Post by birracerveza »

totetsu wrote: post #103
sublinear wrote: post #86

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I had the same reaction 20 years ago to Kingdom Hearts. Disney is definitely at risk of becoming irrelevant with their stale IP.

When kingdom hearts was released I got my first glimpse of how some people seem to throw their logic and taste out the window for Disney. It just seemed the dumbest thing to me. And why was the sword a key.. [edit: this was my teenage selfs opinion]

KH is a beautiful mess that makes absolutely no sense at all, from the idea to the execution, a complete fever dream that is somehow a very enjoyable experience, but only if you embrace the silliness of it all.

If you're a teenager that may be much easier... or much harder, in cases such as yours.

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Post by mckn1ght »

TomK32 wrote: post #258
resolutebat wrote: post #62

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My kids already think many recent Fortnite collabs (Star Wars, Marvel, etc) are lame. Hasn't stopped them from playing though. https://www.dexerto.com/fortnite/every-fortnite-collab-cross...

Just wait until Disney buys Hasbro and watch how bad Magic the Gathering will get then...

Haha you beat me to the punch a little bit here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39299416

But they have a competing product… for now?

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Post by SllX »

lapetitejort wrote: post #43

Considering Square Enix's relationship with Epic, Disney's relationship with Square Enix, and now Disney's relationship with Epic, I expect Kingdom Hearts IV to be a tightly coupled collaboration.

That actually sounds like a nightmare.

Keep your Fortnite away from my Kingdom Hearts.

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Post by nonethewiser »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #224
Rexxar wrote: post #218

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If you ignore the Covid drop, the trend change seems to start in 2019 when they bought Century Fox.

I’m not sure what the exact cause is, but for some reason, they lose billions on streaming (page 24): https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/app/uploads/2023/11/Q4_FY23...

Because they give lots of subscriptions away for free and the paying customers are paying a subsidized price.

All so Disney can increase market share. This is why you cant just point to subscriber count as a success indicator.

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Post by bazoom42 »

kmeisthax wrote: post #208
Yodel0914 wrote: post #133

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It is not possible to steal from the public domain. That's the entire point of it.

It's stealing in the cultural appropriation sense, not the copyright sense. When you create a new work based off a public domain work, you own what you added to that work. If your adaptation happens to be extremely successful , that effectively recopyrights the character, because the version people care about is the one you own. If someone else wants to use the public domain character, they have to aggressively dista…

The material which was public domain is still public domain, Disney did not “re-copyright” anything. Just google how many different versions of Pinocchio has been made independently from Disney. Gulliermo del Toro won an oscar for his version. If you havent seen that it is your own fault, not the fault of Disney or copyright law.

Stephen Sondheim had a pretty succesful musical based on Grimms tales.

But yeah, if you want people to care about your version, you have to bring something new to the table.

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Post by hoseja »

ethbr1 wrote: post #108
totetsu wrote: post #103

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When kingdom hearts was released I got my first glimpse of how some people seem to throw their logic and taste out the window for Disney. It just seemed the dumbest thing to me. And why was the sword a key.. [edit: this was my teenage selfs opinion]

Some people like goofy mashup fun. There's a ton of people who apparently really liked Kingdom Hearts. It's pretty elitist to consider some IP too sacred to remix.

Does it feature Jesus of Nazareth?

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Post by lukan »

tomcam wrote: post #212
michael_nielsen wrote: post #180

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I flagged this - it seems too clearly flame bait. If it was an honest mistake, my apologies. Disney had three movies in 2023 which took more than $200 million at the US box office

They were all flops. They cost massively more to film and to market than that. And remember theater owners get half of the gross.

As much as I despised for example the first new Star Wars, The Force Awakens:

"The film grossed $2.07 billion worldwide, breaking various box office records and becoming the highest-grossing film in the United States and Canada, the highest-grossing film of 2015, and the third-highest-grossing film at the time of its release"

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Post by herbst »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #182
tomcam wrote: post #154

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At risk? They haven’t had hit movie for years. They have destroyed just about everything they’ve touched, from Indiana Jones to Star Wars to Snow White.

Frozen is one of the newest entries out of any media franchise to gross more than $10B — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media... . More than Fortnite has grossed. Not too shabby.

I was surprised to see how much they spend for their movies. We talk about billion dollars and more they put into a single movie.
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