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Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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Globalization is rolling back. It's about to be boom times in America as long as the politicians from all parties can actually move from one troth to another and actually pass bills.

Cars, and EVs in particular have strong protectionist laws in the US that make it more expensive to import vehicles than to build them locally. There are a few other sectors like semiconductor fabs where we have started to introduce protectionist policies but I haven't seen any movement to expand those types of policies to most other manufacturing sectors.

protectionist policies hurt the end consumer more than they protect the workers.

It's already bad to have any sector that is protected from competition (foreign or domestic), why look to expand it?

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> it will still permit hybrid article says plugin hybrid, not just hybrid, which is kinda loophole.

a hybrid is still a hybrid that you can just keep filling up with gas and never plug-in.

yes, though in California cars required to be 0 emission by 2035

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I was wondering how the manufacturers address the potential culture conflicts. Obama's documentary American Factory revealed two notable contentions. One is that American workers think that the management is too tough on them while the management think that the workers are too unreasonable. The other is that Chinese workers are 30% (or 2X?) more efficient than American workers. I have no judgement on the first conten…

> The other is that Chinese workers are 30% (or 2X?) more efficient than American workers. What metrics is this based on?

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Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars, and EVs in particular have strong protectionist laws in the US that make it more expensive to import vehicles than to build them locally. There are a few other sectors like semiconductor fabs where we have started to introduce protectionist policies but I haven't seen any movement to expand those types of policies to most other manufacturing sectors.

protectionist policies hurt the end consumer more than they protect the workers. It's already bad to have any sector that is protected from competition (foreign or domestic), why look to expand it?

That's that magic of concentrated benefits and diffuse harms. The inverse is manufacturing workers who suffer concentrated harms from cheaper foreign competition and everyone else enjoys the slight benefit of cheaper TVs.

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Seems to be almost daily news stories about huge capital investment in manufacturing in the US, a couple billion here, a couple billion there. Was I just blind to these 5-10 years ago?

Geopolitics: China's sudden shift to authoritarianism under the new emperor has everyone fleeing for the exits as the US and Europe abandon the project to bring China into the club. Economics, Neoliberalism is dead. The pandemic killed it. Policy makers well understand the economy can tolerate a lot of disruption. Politics: Dispossessed voters turning to fascism has sharpened politicians and sane business leaders min…

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Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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>> Environmental groups have long criticized Toyota for being slow to move toward fully electric vehicles, instead clinging to gas-electric hybrid technology. When you run a company as large and old as Toyota, you always hedge your bets. There are some other options to battery-powered electric vehicles (hydrogen IC). They are currently not as mature but anyone running something as big as Toyota needs to hedge against…

> Toyota has seen and survived a few such revolutions.

That sounds really interesting, I'd love to learn more. What such revolutions has Toyota survived?

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to be almost daily news stories about huge capital investment in manufacturing in the US, a couple billion here, a couple billion there. Was I just blind to these 5-10 years ago?

Geopolitics: China's sudden shift to authoritarianism under the new emperor has everyone fleeing for the exits as the US and Europe abandon the project to bring China into the club. Economics, Neoliberalism is dead. The pandemic killed it. Policy makers well understand the economy can tolerate a lot of disruption. Politics: Dispossessed voters turning to fascism has sharpened politicians and sane business leaders min…

  Geopolitics: China's sudden shift to authoritarianism under the new emperor has everyone fleeing for the exits as the US and Europe abandon the project to bring China into the club.
No. This is simply because the US and other developed economics do not want competition from Chinese companies. Chinese companies are moving up in the value chain which is a threat economically to the US and allies. It's nothing new. It's the same playbook used on Japan.

  “When governments permit counterfeiting or copying of American products, it is stealing our future, and it is no longer free trade.” So said US President Ronald Reagan, commenting on Japan.

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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a hybrid is still a hybrid that you can just keep filling up with gas and never plug-in.

yes, though in California cars required to be 0 emission by 2035

no? it seems to be the exact same rules as canada?

> new cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.

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yes, though in California cars required to be 0 emission by 2035

no? it seems to be the exact same rules as canada? > new cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.

I can't find any mentions of hybrids nor plugins in actual executive order: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO...

it just says: zero emission, and hybrids are obviously not

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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no? it seems to be the exact same rules as canada? > new cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.

I can't find any mentions of hybrids nor plugins in actual executive order: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO... it just says: zero emission, and hybrids are obviously not

that is the exact same language used for the canadian law. "zero emission" includes hybrid

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/cars-and-light-tr...

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