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There are software engineer jobs where you need to keep your camera on during work hours to show you are in your seat.
Yeah, but nobody applies for those.
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There are software engineer jobs where you need to keep your camera on during work hours to show you are in your seat.
These jobs do not attract the best software engineers.
There are jobs where you are expected to keep the camera and there are programmers who accept those work terms.
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They could with sufficient pay.
The intersection between employers who demand to film you being in a chair and employers who shower their employees with substantial lucre is the null set.
He walked out around noon. The boss asked him to come back for an extra $20 that day.
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Potentially the result when you rob workers of the right to pride in workmanship. The most common complaint from old Boeing people who have left is that after the merger the McDonnell-Douglas people took over and the company switched from pride in engineering and quality of workmanship to cost cutting and bean counting. Also, shortly after the merger the corporate HQ moved, reflecting the priorities of the CEO. It ha…
The original move was also related to lobbying potential. But the CEO who started the moves etc. was a Boeing lifer.
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#265> The accident airplane was required to be equipped with a CVR that retained, at minimum, the last 2 hours of audio information, including flight crew communications and other sounds inside the cockpit ... The CVR was downloaded successfully; however, it was determined that the audio from the accident flight had been overwritten. The CVR circuit breaker had not been manually deactivated after the airplane landed foll…
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The rule (edit: in Europe) is now 25 hours for aircraft over a certain weight, though it is not (currently) retroactively applied to existing equipment. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/12/04/2023-26...
That document is an in-progress proposal to amend a rule, no? I think there was strong opposition to this rule before this accident flight, and the blowback from the missing data here might be strong enough to be able to get it passed anyway.
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The issue here isn't using google chat, the accusation is that this was Spirit and Boeing conspiring to not record these in the proper work order system under the pretence that this work was being done by Spirit as-if-it-were pre-delivery. Read https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/safety/146074-boeing-inte... And then this from the doc: "The investigation continues to determine what manufacturing documents were used to…
A key point I read somewhere in the accusations is that non-Boeing contractors (e.g. Spirit) by policy cannot have access to CMES. Consequently, you have a system of record that a major party to work doesn't have access to. As we've all seen, this leads to "actual coordination" being instead done in a system all involved parties do have access to (SAT). Which inevitably leads to a desync between CMES (SOR by fiat) an…
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The issue here isn't using google chat, the accusation is that this was Spirit and Boeing conspiring to not record these in the proper work order system under the pretence that this work was being done by Spirit as-if-it-were pre-delivery. Read https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/safety/146074-boeing-inte... And then this from the doc: "The investigation continues to determine what manufacturing documents were used to…
A key point I read somewhere in the accusations is that non-Boeing contractors (e.g. Spirit) by policy cannot have access to CMES. Consequently, you have a system of record that a major party to work doesn't have access to. As we've all seen, this leads to "actual coordination" being instead done in a system all involved parties do have access to (SAT). Which inevitably leads to a desync between CMES (SOR by fiat) an…
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-p....
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I really find it disingenuous to imply that we can’t build moon rockets because we’re not good enough at engineering projects - I can think of a few engineering projects that took off last year, to say the least. And nasa doesn’t deserve the shade IMO. The kids of the people who built the Apollo program aren’t working at boeing or fighting for one of the few underpaid nasa positions - they’re building reusable rocket…
If we're fine at engineering, why are doors falling off planes? I don't think you can say "We're fine at engineering but we're often terrible at management." They're not separate things. Engineering culture is about inventiveness, pride, craftsmanship, and getting the job done well. Bean counter culture is the opposite of all those. If that's the culture engineers work under not only do none of them happen, but they…
Funnily enough, I went looking for Boeing stock buyback info and found this article… seems my hypothesis has some specific backing in this case!
Opinion | Did Stock Buybacks Knock the Bolts Out of Boeing? https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/boeing-safety-stock-buy...
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If we're fine at engineering, why are doors falling off planes? I don't think you can say "We're fine at engineering but we're often terrible at management." They're not separate things. Engineering culture is about inventiveness, pride, craftsmanship, and getting the job done well. Bean counter culture is the opposite of all those. If that's the culture engineers work under not only do none of them happen, but they…
You’re making great points about the software/engineering industry and I don’t disagree about any of those specifics — engineering culture is paramount. I was just trying to point to (what I see as) the root cause: the engineering culture at Boeing didn’t fall apart because it’s run by lazy millennials or because the managers hadn’t read Mythical Man Month, it’s because they spent their money on stock buybacks and ex…
MCAS and unbolted door plugs feel like two separate types of problems, IMHO. Both of them can be tied to Executives and culture, of course. MCAS comes from a desire to skirt regulations --- hiding automation from pilots in order to reduce certification requirements is a design error. OTOH; the unbolted door appears to come from production / rework corner cutting; the design is sound, the written process is sound (I think), but written process was not followed in order to meet schedule pressure.
You can have a company culture that encourages skirting regulations and cutting corners in production regardless of dividends/buybacks and executive compensation.