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Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by neuracnu »

throwaway84846 wrote: post #79
npunt wrote: post #52

I just want to run a headless browser that logs into my socials periodically and scrapes the stuff I want from the account I follow and puts it into a less addictive format that provides an upper limit on my possible exposure and engagement. I’m happy to run it locally from my device. Ideally it redirects links to socials I come across too. Where is such a thing?

This was the dream of RSS, but it went against the long-term business interests of the corporations hosting content, so it has since largely faded away

I literally reached this discussion thread via the RSS feed for HN.

It’s out there. Social networking sites with a vested interest in monopolizing your attention don’t use it. So I don’t use them.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by TheChaplain »

tentacleuno wrote: post #188
Dalewyn wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am quite sure the people who use Nitter or otherwise detest Mysterious Twitter X are a vocal minority of people.

I use Twitter, and I detest it. It's mostly spam. This actually came up in a conversation yesterday, funnily enough: I'm mostly using Twitter because I'm curious as to how much worse it's going to get. So far, I've seen them allow NSFW paid-for advertisements, doxxing of well-known figures, daily crypto mention farming spam (with highly suspicious, easily-detectable patterns, spread across ~10 accounts per day), obvi…

I find it quite useful, with the exception of the porn ads.

But I strictly follow python developers, bsd people and retro computing enthusiasts. None post any politics.

I think any social media platform can be good/bad just like people in general, it all depends who you interact with.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by djur »

monero-xmr wrote: post #102
koito17 wrote: post #7

On one hand, this is unfortunate since X always directs me to a login page, and Nitter was the only way I could view whatever gets posted nowadays. On the other hand, the cynical side of me is thankful that I have no more desirable means to see the contents of posts on X. Edit: a similar thing happened with Reddit and Teddit(?). API restrictions effectively killed alternative frontends, so I simply don't look at Redd…

Well the “experts” among us here, WaPo, and the NYT predicted Twitter would surely collapse after firing their SREs and admin that were crucial to keeping the servers running. Any day now Twitter will collapse and all of us will be saved. Surely

They just had a very high-profile event involving deepfake porn of one of the world's most popular musical artists. They appear to have belatedly responded to this by shutting down all searches of that famous artist's name. This does not suggest an organization that has the capacity to quickly or effectively manage the systems they are running.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by djur »

monero-xmr wrote: post #215
viraptor wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing what many people believe is itself useful, especially if you annotate it with "there are no signs that this is actually going to happen". > obsession with the left wing media against Twitter and their hope and vibe about its imminent collapse. Yet, you can't show me an article that says this. Is this left wing media obsession, or is this what you believe about NYT? Twitter was a hot topic and they reported on…

Sure sure, down the memory hole. No one said Twitter would collapse after firing 7500 people. Everyone assumed it would be fine. All of these articles were simply conjecture, just something to speculate. When facts are uncomfortable, just rewrite the narrative.

It's not fine. It's become a cesspit and virtually every new development over the past year has been to the detriment of its users.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by AndroTux »

muppetman wrote: post #80
xwowsersx wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you that this is disappointing, but folks who use these sorts of tools tend to be a bit naive about the impact of them going away. It's a little silly, to be honest. Best numbers I could come by is X does something like 100B impressions/day and x.com saw 1.2B visits in the month of December. Will some people stop seeing X posts on Nitter? Sure, maybe. Will it matter to X? I doubt it.

Exactly. Even the reddit blackouts etc did nothing really - sure a few people left in a huff and all that jazz, but Reddit is still trucking along happily. The only time I've seen the "eff it, we're leaving!" thing actually work was with Digg v4.

Tumblr with their NSFW removal change as well.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by InCityDreams »

burgerrito wrote: post #220

What's frustrating about social media closing off public access is that, most of the time, they don't even do it correctly--instead of showing a dialog or a message to sign in to view content, they just straight up show an unclear, ambigous error message. Twitter and Instagram does this AFAIK. Also a bit OOT but there is also something that I think needed to be said: search engines SHOULD be clear whether a content i…

>search engines SHOULD be clear whether a content is accessible without account or not, whether a content is accessible is paywalled or not.

And HN.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by riedel »

koito17 wrote: post #9
pard68 wrote: post #8

This is just an instance shutting down, not all of the Nitter instances. Sort of a deceptive title.

The important part is the linked GitHub comment from the primary maintainer (and owner) of the Nitter project. To save readers a click Guest accounts have been removed, they weren't just led to believe that. With real accounts getting rate limited immediately and likely banned, I don't see any path forward for Nitter. Source: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983#issuecomment-191... The way I interpret this com…

I counted 10 instances recently going down on the status page. There is at least a correlation, probably a cause.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by sokoloff »

strogonoff wrote: post #192
npunt wrote: post #52

I just want to run a headless browser that logs into my socials periodically and scrapes the stuff I want from the account I follow and puts it into a less addictive format that provides an upper limit on my possible exposure and engagement. I’m happy to run it locally from my device. Ideally it redirects links to socials I come across too. Where is such a thing?

You may want social media to be pipes, not platforms. Convince the government to forbid the business model in which most of users are not paying customers but a product offered to advertisers. Then, social platforms will not care if you use whatever client you desire. Big Social shareholders don’t want it, though. Being a double-sided market is addictive, and no one can compete with them if they capture the market by…

> Convince the government to forbid the business model in which most of users are not paying customers but a product offered to advertisers

I like broadcast TV and radio (especially radio while driving) and think that most Americans would object to their removal.

Just look at the uproar over a few NFL games being unavailable on broadcast TV for a hint as to how well such a ban might go.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by strogonoff »

sokoloff wrote: post #268
strogonoff wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want social media to be pipes, not platforms. Convince the government to forbid the business model in which most of users are not paying customers but a product offered to advertisers. Then, social platforms will not care if you use whatever client you desire. Big Social shareholders don’t want it, though. Being a double-sided market is addictive, and no one can compete with them if they capture the market by…

> Convince the government to forbid the business model in which most of users are not paying customers but a product offered to advertisers I like broadcast TV and radio (especially radio while driving) and think that most Americans would object to their removal. Just look at the uproar over a few NFL games being unavailable on broadcast TV for a hint as to how well such a ban might go.

> I like broadcast TV and radio (especially radio while driving)

If you suggest to apply the same model to social media (where they don’t get to know about a single thing about the user, strictly one way ads) then I’d be totally for it.

However, I don’t think they’ll find this model profitable enough (advertisers like to target), and because charging users is easier with social media compared to radio broadcasting the barrier to start doing that is lower.

That is, disallowing profiting from PII and only allowing one-way ads in social media, while difficult to enforce will also mean they start charging users anyway. So why not skip that model altogether.

Local broadcast models don’t work on global scale anyway.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by xyzzy123 »

strogonoff wrote: post #192
npunt wrote: post #52

I just want to run a headless browser that logs into my socials periodically and scrapes the stuff I want from the account I follow and puts it into a less addictive format that provides an upper limit on my possible exposure and engagement. I’m happy to run it locally from my device. Ideally it redirects links to socials I come across too. Where is such a thing?

You may want social media to be pipes, not platforms. Convince the government to forbid the business model in which most of users are not paying customers but a product offered to advertisers. Then, social platforms will not care if you use whatever client you desire. Big Social shareholders don’t want it, though. Being a double-sided market is addictive, and no one can compete with them if they capture the market by…

New issue is AI. Even sites with no ads will want limits on scraping / apis / composability.
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