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Mark Zuckerberg’s new goal is creating artificial general intelligence

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg’s new goal is creating artificial general intelligence

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Man, the Metaverse... what a fad. I almost can't even believe that WAS a thing. We had Habbo, and then we had Second Life, and NOW!!!!!!.... * deafening silence *

VR is a gadget, the same way that 4D cinemas are gadget. Ok it's +/- fun the first time to receive water droplets in your face while watching a movie, or for the cinema to spread fake fart smell, but this is not the experience you want to have every day. Apparently only a single-digit % of people who purchased AR headsets are using them once in a month (source: Valve developer Chet Faliszek)

> but this is not the experience you want to have every day.

It’s been the experience I’ve been having every day since the original oculus devkit. I’ve rarely touched a flatscreen title since. Eventually I hope they’ll become good enough to work in when I travel.

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In saying that, i've always maintained its not ready for normies yet, and that we were probably a good decade or two away from the point where its going to be in a format/design that the mass market would accept/have interest in. In fact in many cases, I still actively reccomend against purchase because I know it's still kinda incuating along.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg’s new goal is creating artificial general intelligence

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My money has been on Meta for AGI since they started training people to label data for them (tag your friends!) Between all their properties they have more instrumentation on humans, collecting human behavior trajectories and state action pairs transfer learning and inverse RL than anyone - and it’s not even a close second Specifically and critically I think they likely have the largest egocentric multimodal labeled…

I have always felt Ebay dropped the ball on this with untold amounts of custom, varying quality photos with tons of metadata added by users. Presumably they are working on using this, but I haven't seen anything from them for it.

They (we) were working on that more than 15 years ago with mallet library. Unfortunately some of the drawbacks of public companies are they too focused on the current quarter and all effort is towards increasing EPS

Re: Mark Zuckerberg’s new goal is creating artificial general intelligence

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If only he had set this goal a year ago, maybe John Carmack wouldn't have quit to work on AGI. https://fortune.com/2022/12/17/john-carmack-leaves-meta-as-i...

Carmack seemed to really despise their culture too.

Source?

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> why there's so much insistence from business that magic happens at scale with LLMs It's already happening. See latest Google layoffs. They are automating a lot of things. Most people don't realize it, but the change is going to be dramatic. > We're a long way from AGI This is a big question, what is AGI? LLMs are quite generic and 'intelligent'. Not human-like, but. Next is going to be incremental evolution. Till w…

Boy, we must have a totally different understanding of whay AGI is. Intelligence is not about parroting an answer you've seen before. It's about using your environment to gain an evolutionary advantage.

> It's about using your environment to gain an evolutionary advantage.

I don't think that's right either (it sounds like a description of adaptation), and I don't think your description of LLMs is fair, even though I'm fairly sure they're not AGI and won't scale to AGI.

Intelligence is more like the ability to generalize skills, applying knowledge gained in one scenario to another scenario.

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I love facebook. I hate other big tech companies. Facebook has done far more for software than any other company in the last 15 years. They: 1. Pushed salaries up across the board. Many people are not aware, but facebook was a major driver behind the 500k+ senior engineering pay. 2. Released major open source software: PyTorch, React, GraphQL, React Native. They basically invented modern web development. Facebook is…

Would feel similar if they weren’t the absolute worst in terms of privacy. And if they didn’t buy out the best VR commercial tech and tie it to FB. Can’t use the Quest or Raybans headsets without logging in to the panopticon.

Yes you can

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That's a really great point. General Artificial Intelligence doesn't look like human intelligence. I guess that's the fear: we have never met another general intelligence before. We may as well be about to meet alien intelligence. One that is not constrained by a moral or social framework, and can copy itself at will.

Are other animals on earth not generally intelligent? Dogs octopus, monkeys, dolphins. They have social structures and can problem solve.

Good time for the classic line by Douglas Adams:

> For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

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Carmack seemed to really despise their culture too.

Source?

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0iPix...

> ...We have a ridiculous amount of people and resources, but we constantly self-sabotage and squander effort. There is no way to sugar coat this; I think our organization is operating at half the effectiveness that would make me happy. Some may scoff and contend we are doing just fine, but others will laugh and say “Half? Ha! I’m at quarter efficiency!” It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I’m evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I think my influence at the margins has been positive, but it has never been a prime mover...

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AGI could potentially do all of these things

Obviously, he won’t be the one doing it if AGI is, the point is he didn’t do the work he.

friend I understand the point, my point is maybe he is not done yet and he is focused on a way to accomplish one thing that can accomplish all the others.

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Depends on the thing, detailed instructions of how to build nuclear weapons and enrich uranium is one example.

So in your opinion, how should we determine who should have this knowledge?

Very carefully

Re: Mark Zuckerberg’s new goal is creating artificial general intelligence

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Can someone provide insight into why there's so much insistence from business that magic happens at scale with LLMs? We're a long way from AGI. The lack of meaningful details in these announcements makes me pessimistic.

How do you know how long away we are?

I imagine you don't expect a serious answer to that anyway, but to be clear: anyone talking about AI timelines seriously would not be expressing so much certainty because it's not possible to know AI timelines with certainty right now.
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