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IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by epolanski »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #102
Workaccount2 wrote: post #43

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To me it looks like tech is just falling more in line with other industries pay/workload. I think there are many who joined the tech workforce during the pandemic thinking the norm was to make $135k while doing 10 hours of real work a week from home, twiddling a few lines of bootcamp level javascript to appease your largely absent boss. Many may forget, or not have been there, but 10-15 years ago tech jobs were notor…

Takes a low IQ person to accept ridiculous workload for kinda ok money

You take what you can find and negotiate.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by pram »

deadghost wrote: post #185
orochimaaru wrote: post #36

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I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

My previous company was doing this. I basically quit out of frustration. They weren't much better than picking random people off the street and pointing them at code. It bled into my work life when they took over a project I was on and was pinging me constantly with "hello" and "good morning" expecting to jump on calls with their teams to explain exactly how to do their jobs. An example to illustrate what I was worki…

Pro tip: just don’t respond to the “good morning” messages. If they don’t follow up it wasn’t important anyway.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by epolanski »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

That confirms my anecdotal experience. At times I felt I was losing my mind with all the "record low unemployment" and "soft landing" stories in the press. 2021 and 2022 felt like great years in terms of the job market. 2023 felt horrible.

> 2023 felt horrible.

It really did. I choose that year to become an independent contractor, and thanks God the only client I found loves me and pays on time because otherwise literally nobody has ever contacted me on LinkedIn or anything with a single decent proposal.

I have a huge fear of losing that client and going back to European corporate job and salary again.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by epolanski »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #249
itsoktocry wrote: post #47

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> 2021 and 2022 felt like great years in terms of the job market. 2023 felt horrible. Well, we had people bragging about working 2, 3 or more remote jobs in 2021/2022, so I'm not sure that should be the expectations anchor. 2023 reversed some of that. We're in a lull, no doubt. But there's still a lot happening.

> Well, we had people bragging about working 2, 3 or more remote jobs in 2021/2022 Do we know how prevalent that really was though? I just assumed those were extreme outliers, famous because they were so outrageous.

Also, I never understood why people had a beef with it.

Companies bend and cut the throat of loyal hard working employees the moment they are not relevant yet people raged some ethics there which was very misplaced.

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Post by charlie0 »

closeparen wrote: post #222
coolThingsFirst wrote: post #182

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Opinion and not a fact, have you heard of bootstrapping and using old computer as server We used to be dreamers now is like cant do

Anyone who has been employed in Big Tech should have no problem self-funding a few hundred dollars a month for small-scale server infrastructure. The problem is you gotta keep paying your $3500 rent or $9000 mortgage in San Francisco. Most of us need to work at a profitable company or funded startup to manage that.

We could all organize and move to a much cheaper off-shore location for say, a year, to build something great.

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Post by epolanski »

Pepe1vo wrote: post #57

The cognitive dissonance I'm getting from reading the comments here is pretty staggering. Where I live (The Netherlands) me and every IT person I know is getting absolutely hounded by recruiters. As an additional anecdote I'll add that I've just switched jobs to a start-up on very favorable terms and the recruitment process basically amounted to being cold called and asked "hey you wanna work here?". Can anyone here…

As an European consultant it feels like Netherlands isn't also super remote prone. Most dutch companies I've seen recruiting want you hybrid and possibly dutch speaking.

With such restrictions you're obviously gonna encounter issues hiring and will hammer the restricted pool.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by 000ooo000 »

gabrieledarrigo wrote: post #211
Workaccount2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it looks like tech is just falling more in line with other industries pay/workload. I think there are many who joined the tech workforce during the pandemic thinking the norm was to make $135k while doing 10 hours of real work a week from home, twiddling a few lines of bootcamp level javascript to appease your largely absent boss. Many may forget, or not have been there, but 10-15 years ago tech jobs were notor…

> Many may forget, or not have been there, but 10-15 years ago tech jobs were notorious for ridiculous workloads/long hours. And I can't understand sorry, why should we go back to this scenario, exactly?

The comment didn't say that

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Post by epolanski »

seanw444 wrote: post #159
coolThingsFirst wrote: post #115

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A bartender makes same as a software engineer in NL

To be fair, I probably make the same as a bartender here in the US. Blows my mind that people are easily making $120,000+.

The amount of money people give in tips is insane.

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Post by justinzollars »

deathpanels wrote: post #25

Everyone is talking about layoffs and lack of hiring, but I've found the problem to be that companies are cutting costs by silently increasing workload on existing employees. Everyone is getting burnt out trying to keep a 300-person engineering team running on only 100 head count. That leads to more incidents, slower delivery, less innovation, longer hours. Even those who are still employed are seeing working conditi…

I was on a 24 hour on call for months, a two man team, managing Chick-fil-A's Doordash, UberEats and GH Go integrations for thousands of stores. It was literally insane. I survived this recession - but I was way way way overworked. The balance has definitely tipped towards the employer.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by deathanatos »

jncfhnb wrote: post #258
deadghost wrote: post #185

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My previous company was doing this. I basically quit out of frustration. They weren't much better than picking random people off the street and pointing them at code. It bled into my work life when they took over a project I was on and was pinging me constantly with "hello" and "good morning" expecting to jump on calls with their teams to explain exactly how to do their jobs. An example to illustrate what I was worki…

Good news, I got rid of ALL the tickets!

You probably say that in jest, but I have seen — multiple times — someone just go and delete all the tickets. Boom! 0 tickets. No bugs, totes. /s
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