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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by kossTKR »

bayindirh wrote: post #110
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

To me teslas are still annoying and dangerous because of a bunch of small things last time i rented one, like buying a great computer, but the screen colours are inverted:

1) No buttons but shit quality touch "areas in places you have to guess" on steering wheel, is straight up dangerous, and incredibly annoying because you can't "get a feel" for anything you have to do, ie. turn lights, wipers etc.

2) No other knobs for sound, climate etc. instead touch screen. Same thing stupid, slow and dangerous.

3) No speedometer, "just look constantly to the right and down" ok now it's getting in to joke territory.

4) Shit interior.

A Renault Zoe cheap mini car is easier in day to day use because of this.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by janoc »

elif wrote: post #249
iterati wrote: post #231

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My partner and I share a Tesla. It's 'mained' under her account. About 25%-50% of the times I enter the driver's seat - it varies depending on the version it's on - it forgets my driver profile and I have to reconfigure the mirrors and seat. This bug was first reported in 2020 IIRC and never fixed. Never buying another Tesla. Their only advantage is the network of superchargers.

Weird. Is your wife's phone nearby by chance? The only time this happens to me it's because we are both walking to the car together and her phone unlocks it before mine does.

And why would that feature rely on a phone in the first place instead of letting the driver change the profile when getting behind the wheel? Or e.g. use a fingerprint sensor or interior camera (which some of the Teslas do have)?

That sounds like some software guy somewhere didn't realize that those seats in the car aren't only for carrying air but that actual people or, gosh, occasional other drivers ride in them too.

Sadly this is rather symptomatic for many things coming out of Silicon Valley (not only Tesla).

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jeremyjh »

iterati wrote: post #231
audunw wrote: post #49

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I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?

My partner and I share a Tesla. It's 'mained' under her account. About 25%-50% of the times I enter the driver's seat - it varies depending on the version it's on - it forgets my driver profile and I have to reconfigure the mirrors and seat. This bug was first reported in 2020 IIRC and never fixed. Never buying another Tesla. Their only advantage is the network of superchargers.

All the other EVs have standardized on their charger now as well though, so their network is available to everyone.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by deely3 »

jokoon wrote: post #105

Can't you all just use an electric bike or something? Or an electric scooter?

What is your solution for people that have two or more childrens in two different schools when road covered in ice or 3in of snow? Or when its -17 celsius outside?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jeremyjh »

pard68 wrote: post #250
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245

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> This is faults found during a scheduled inspection This implies we need an inspection regime in America. We’ve counted on servicing to catch unsafe cars. I hadn’t thought of that as something that changed.

Many states (or all the ones I have lived in anyway) have regular, mandatory inspections.

A lot are only checking emissions and lights.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nixass »

flutas wrote: post #244
croes wrote: post #113

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Because these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off. Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589

> Because these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off. > Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car. Thank god the existing manufacturers have this nailed down, like Toyota[0], Dodge [1], Ford[2], Mazda[3], or even high end manufacturers like Lamborghini[4]. [0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-recalls-new-ev-over-risk... [1]: https://www.kiro7.com/news/trendin…

Toyota, Ford, Dodge = could fall off

Tesla = would fall off

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by photon_collider »

cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

I’ve thought about buying a Tesla for years now but stories like this have dissuaded me. I would have hoped that issues such as these would have been resolved by now. But, I’m glad that the other auto makers are starting to finally bring some competition in the EV market.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nixass »

demondemidi wrote: post #97
silisili wrote: post #51

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My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

Were they luxury cars, like teslas?

What exactly gives impression of luxury in Tesla, other than ridiculous price?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by light_hue_1 »

kossTKR wrote: post #261
bayindirh wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

To me teslas are still annoying and dangerous because of a bunch of small things last time i rented one, like buying a great computer, but the screen colours are inverted: 1) No buttons but shit quality touch "areas in places you have to guess" on steering wheel, is straight up dangerous, and incredibly annoying because you can't "get a feel" for anything you have to do, ie. turn lights, wipers etc. 2) No other knobs…

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology.

The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back.

1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do sound/climate/etc. But you're mostly meant to use voice and put everything on auto. 3. Never in my life have I just stared at the speedometer. Why are you staring at it so much? Is something wrong?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by linsomniac »

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

I don't know, man, my 2016 Model S has been lower maintenance than any of my past or current cars, with the exception of our RAV-4 which has way, way lower miles on it (90K vs 30K). So, YMMV.

It's a bummer because with Elon's antics I don't see myself owning another Tesla, but my experience so far has been great.

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