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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

wombat-man wrote: post #191
varispeed wrote: post #50

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Supply and demand. At one point there should be enough supply that AirBnB will bring too little profit for people to be bothered. Things like AirBnB work precisely because the supply is constrained.

I agree we should build more housing. But in the meantime it's not helping to have a bunch of the housing stock dedicated to tourists. Now maybe banning airbnb will put such a damper on tourism that it becomes a problem, but let's deal with that problem when it happens.

> But in the meantime it's not helping to have a bunch of the housing stock dedicated to tourists

Tourists bring in good tax dollars for the city since NYC has insane hotel taxes on top of the ridiculous cost of Hotels.

From a moral perspective, it really shouldn't be anyone's business how a property owner decides to use their property. If they want to rent it on month-to-month leases or 12 month leases, it's up to them. If there's not enough permanent or long-term housing, then you need to deregulate NYC's byzantine zoning regulations and make it a lot easier to build whatever, wherever.

Also you need to get rid of rent control; it is categorically proven to make things worse

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by Workaccount2 »

pc86 wrote: post #160
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #113

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...and hence why we helped those people who were unemployed and had children.

"Helped" as in the $600 stimulus checks people got that was supposed to cover groceries for 6 months while they couldn't pay rent?

There was a rent moratorium in most places. People were not paying rent.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

4death4 wrote: post #96
vitno wrote: post #68

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"just build more housing" is definitely viable here in NYC. NYC is not that dense in comparison to many other major metropolis in the world.

Really? Compared to what other metropolises?

NYC doesn't even make the list apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_popul...

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by mjmsmith »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #155
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #95

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Or maybe our inability to collectively act and sacrifice to save over a million people is damning. It absolutely gutted my faith that we'll successfully tackle climate change.

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The small silver lining in NYC was that it convinced some of our worst cops to move to Florida.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by giantg2 »

frenchyatwork wrote: post #245
giantg2 wrote: post #205

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"The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives" Did it actually significsntly save lives or prevent long covid? I'm wondering if any countries didn't shut schools that we could compare to? I would guess maybe in the initial wave by not overwhelming hospitals it would save a few lives. But when the policies were continually extended thier return on investment dropped as th…

It's worth bearing in mind that the people making these policy decisions in 2020 were doing so without any objective knowledge of how the pandemic would actually end up playing out. Car safety is somewhat different. While the harms of a car-dependent society are subjectively hard to come to terms with, especially for those who have grown accustom to it, it's a lot easier to objectively measure and predict.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Even in 2020, they knew that the fatality rate was very low for most of the population and was only an issue for the elderly and those with specific comorbidities. Many of the secondary and n-ary effects of either the pandemic or eliminating cars are unknown until they actually play out. There may be some projections, but those projections tend to change. For example, maybe electric scooter become a huge problem because people refuse to walk after cars are banned (negating the potential exercise related benefits).

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by Workaccount2 »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #257
GordonS wrote: post #212

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What's the big draw with Florida?

Politics. Everyone I know who moved from NYC to Florida did so because they were sick of the politics, and wanted to live in a red state with NYC-ish amenities. Miami is absolutely that. For most though, it's about housing cost - those move to Jersey or MAYBE LI. That's a larger group, too.

Your forgot one of the biggest reasons:

Florida has no income tax.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by randomdata »

luxurytent wrote: post #14

Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

> Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains

I don't know about the US, but here in Canada the 2016 census was already showing meaningful decline in communities with >100,000 people, with communities of 1,000-29,999 people picking up most of the slack. COVID may have accelerated things, but signs of a 'counterubranization' movement were already presenting itself long before we ever heard of COVID.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by trealira »

sbrother wrote: post #223
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #113

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...and hence why we helped those people who were unemployed and had children.

We did? No, we didn't. Source: had young children during the pandemic and just finished paying back debt I accrued from having to quit my job.

There was this "Child Tax Credit" during the pandemic:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/child-tax-credit/

It sounds like you might have missed out on it due to not knowing about it, which would be unfortunate.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by [deleted] »

levelz wrote: post #237
shin_lao wrote: post #67

More taxes. Less service. Everything is outrageously expensive. Middle class gets crushed. If you've wealthy, no point in having your main residence in NYC (see, more taxes). Will get worse before it gets better.

> Everything is outrageously expensive > Middle class gets crushed I moved out of New York City in 2020. The overriding reason was not this, it was just a fluke that I got a very compelling out of state job offer in 2019, and they requested I move in 2020. However, I am making about about $150-$160k as an SWE, and it goes a lot further here (although having to spend $700-$800 a month for a car, which I did not have t…

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