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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by Podgajski »

imetatroll wrote: post #241
Podgajski wrote: post #119

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That was my point, you talk about new eras, but nothing changes. Who is this new for? You, me, or the billionaires who make lives like mine horrible? It’s all spectacle, and where will it all lead? We landed men on the moon, and haven’t been back. What is SpaceX going to use for going to Mars? Are you gonna be the one that’s going or are they gonna leave you behind to rot here on this burning planet?

The kind of scientific advancements needed to sustain on the moon or mars will tremendously improve our abilities to be sustainable here on Earth. You are willfully ignorant or naive.

Ha! I’m naïve? What are you saying that we’re going to turn the Earth into a Mars or moonlight planet? And we’re all gonna have to live in bubbles? Do you think that’s the answer? Talk about pessimistic and negative…

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Post by dave78 »

t0mas88 wrote: post #239
ByThyGrace wrote: post #227

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Surely the final Starship carrying passengers will not have auto flight termination?

Imagine explaining to the court that the passengers were blown up by your AI algorithm... I expect these things are only on test flights indeed.

I'm pretty sure Falcon 9 carrying crew has an AFTS. Challenger was destroyed by an FTS system as well despite having crew on board. I think it's just a risk you have to take to go on a rocket ride.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #243
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #219

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Tortoise and hare, perhaps. Starship development started in 2012, and now 11 years later has had 2nd launch and failure to reach orbit. Apollo program started in 1961 and had men on the moon in 1969 - with 60's tech.

Measuring Apollo's start point in 1961 can be very misleading. Apollo was the culmination of a more or less continuous development process stretching back to the early 50s with the start of the ICBM programs. For example, the F-1 engines that powered Saturn V first stage actually began development in the late 50s, with the first static firing happening in 1959. The (in)famous combustion instability challenges of the…

True, but in same way SpaceX has also been in the rocket business for over 20 years, and building upon know how and organizational expertise gained from the Falcon 9.

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Post by DarmokJalad1701 »

Podgajski wrote: post #259
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #240

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> This is good for you so it should be good for all of humanity. I’m sorry, but it’s not. You asked me how it impacts me and I answered. > But you’re only seeing it from your perspective. You don’t have a holistic view of the world. You are failing to see the holistic view yourself because you seem to be having a bad time. Lowering the cost of mass-to-orbit by a couple of orders of magnitude significantly changes wha…

Why do we need satellites and space to care about each other? I don’t need a massive satellite in space, I need somewhere to live. A massive satellite in space is not going to provide me a house. And it’s not gonna provide any time before my death. Which is being hind because I’m homeless. Which is being hasten because, I have no healthcare. Don’t you understand? You’re all surprised about my negative comments but I’…

> You’re all surprised about my negative comments but I’m sure you would be feeling the same if you were in my position right now.

There are things that do not benefit you right at this moment. That does not mean that they are not a boon to society at large and a net-positive for this world.

A significant fraction of the billions of people on this planet have had their life changed positively due to advancements in space technology - in all probability including you. And it will continue to do so. I am sorry that you are not in a place where you can appreciate that and be happy about it. I hope it changes for you.

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Post by api »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #257
ByThyGrace wrote: post #227

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Surely the final Starship carrying passengers will not have auto flight termination?

As I understand it, on crewed flights of the Falcon 9 the AFTS is somehow integrated with the abort system so that it is impossible for it to detonate without the capsule having a few seconds to get to safety first. I don't see how this would work for Starship, since it won't have an abort system.

Couldn’t Starship detach and fire its engines to get away from the booster? Of course I guess if they are not hypergolic there is startup time.

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Post by ceejayoz »

api wrote: post #265
sebzim4500 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, on crewed flights of the Falcon 9 the AFTS is somehow integrated with the abort system so that it is impossible for it to detonate without the capsule having a few seconds to get to safety first. I don't see how this would work for Starship, since it won't have an abort system.

Couldn’t Starship detach and fire its engines to get away from the booster? Of course I guess if they are not hypergolic there is startup time.

The real question here is what happens with a crewed second stage that has a problem with its engines/fuel. We’ve yet to see designs for the crewed interior beyond very conceptual stuff.

Maybe something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_crew_capsule for launch abort.

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Post by scarygliders »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #195
chpatrick wrote: post #153

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Mars is a horrible place to live so I'll take Earth any day. But it would be nice if humanity doesn't get wiped out if we get unlucky with an asteroid.

In the meantime, we're already well into ecological collapse (I think we've lost something like 3/4s of the earth's species?) and existential-threat-level climate change which in fifty years or so will be so bad we'll be dealing with near constant humanitarian crises...with no sign of improvement on either front. Decarbonization isn't happening nearly fast enough and industrial pollution is chugging along. Frankly, I…

Hang on. You said you were living in a minivan - a vehicle which took a few technological leaps to be able to develop and build, so you could live in it.

You also appear to have an internet connection and a means to use it. Again, technological leaps were required for you to be able to whine on HN.

Perhaps - if you're so utterly sincere and serious about saving the planet as you appear to be - you should be living in the nearest available cave? After all, that minivan is likely to use an internal combustion engine and runs on dead dinosaurs; let alone the plastics and metals and silicon used in said minivan's assembly.

See, this is what I don't get about eco-heros like you appear to be - even if you are homeless, you're still, right now, utilising every single technological leap that it took to get you to the stage of even just living in your minivan and complaining about rocket development on the internet. This, to me, reeks of hypocrisy.

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Post by ge96 »

pdar4123 wrote: post #267

I have loved watching space x launches for years. And here I am, scrolling around on my phone and I can’t for the life of me find a stream that opens- this is just so sad

You could watch someone's capture on YT, I didn't wake up in time myself dang.
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