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Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

colinsane wrote: post #172
benterix wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, OpenAI spent a lot of money on training on all these copyrighted materials ordinary individuals/companies don't have access to, so replicating their effort would mean that you either 1) spend a ridiculous amount of money, 2) use Library Genesis (and still pay millions for GPU usage). So we have very little choice now. Open Source LLMs might be getting close to ChatGPT3 (opinions vary), but OpenAI is sti…

the choice is to live 2 years behind (e.g. integrate the open source stuff and ride that wave of improvement). for businesses in a competitive space, that’s perhaps untenable. but for individuals and anywhere else where this stuff is just a “nice to have”, that’s really just the long-term sustainable approach. it reminds me of a choice like “do i host my website on a Windows Server, or a Linux box” at a time when bot…

For individuals, this is a very short window of time where we have cheap access to an actually useful, and relatively unshackled SOTA model[0]. This is the rare time individuals can empower themselves, become briefly better at whatever it is they're doing, expand their skills, cut through tedium, let their creativity bloom. It's only a matter of time before many a corporation and startup parcel it all between themselves, enshittify the living shit out of AI, disenfranchise individuals again and sell them as services what they just took away.

No, it's exactly the individuals who can't afford to live "2 years behind". Benefits are too great, and worst that can happen is... going back to where one is now.

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[0] - I'm not talking the political bias and using the idea of alignment to give undue weigh to corporate reputation management issues. I'm talking about gutting the functionality to establish revenue channels. Like, imagine ChatGPT telling you it won't help you with your programming question, until you subscribe to Premium Dev Package for $language, or All Seasons Pass for all languages.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by toddmorey »

michaelteter wrote: post #50

Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI. It took years before most companies who now use cloud providers to trust and be willing to bet their operations on them. That gave the cloud providers time to make their systems more robust, and to learn how to resolve issues quickly.

This is one of the many reasons open source is now more important that ever. Ironically, in the AI space it's now under attack more than ever.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by consumer451 »

lessbergstein wrote: post #192
johnhenry wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways?

Less censorship and patronizing disclaimers

What do you think will happen if it starts outputting opinions which put Musk, his companies, the CCP, or KSA in a bad light?

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

tsunamifury wrote: post #258
btbuildem wrote: post #159

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Don't underestimate Big Corp's resistance to using OpenAI's hosted solutions (even on Azure) for anything that's not marketing fluff.

Marketing fluff is what 90% of tech is... it amazes me how many people think otherwise on hacker news. Unless you are building utility systems that run power plants, at the end of the day -- you're doing marketing fluff or the tools for it.

> Unless you are building utility systems that run power plants, at the end of the day -- you're doing marketing fluff or the tools for it.

Even when you are building utility systems for critical infrastructure, you'll still be dealing with a disheartening amount of focus on marketing fluff and sales trickery.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by [deleted] »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #231
HumblyTossed wrote: post #216

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> Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI. Gonna be similar (or worse) to what happens when Github goes down. It amazes me how quickly people have come to rely on "AI" to do their work for them.

if github goes down you cannot merge prs etc, literally blocking "work" so this is a stretch

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Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by dragonwriter »

michaelteter wrote: post #50

Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI. It took years before most companies who now use cloud providers to trust and be willing to bet their operations on them. That gave the cloud providers time to make their systems more robust, and to learn how to resolve issues quickly.

> Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI.

But...are we? There's a reason that many enterprises that need reliability aren't doing that, but instead...

> It took years before most companies who now use cloud providers to trust and be willing to bet their operations on them. That gave the cloud providers time to make their systems more robust, and to learn how to resolve issues quickly.

...to the extent that they are building dependencies on hosted AI services, doing it with traditional cloud providers hosted solutions, not first party hosting by AI development firms that aren't general enterprise cloud providers (e.g., for OpenAI models, using Azure OpenAI rather than OpenAI directly, for a bunch of others, AWS Bedrock.)

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by sitzkrieg »

Smaug123 wrote: post #240
sitzkrieg wrote: post #231

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if github goes down you cannot merge prs etc, literally blocking "work" so this is a stretch

Not really true - Git is distributed, after all. During an outage once I just hosted my copy of a certain Git repo somewhere. You can always push the history back up to the golden copy when GitHub comes back.

i am not talking about git, i am talking about github. lets say i need to merge a PR in GH because use gha pipelines or what have you to deploy a prod fix. this would become severely blocked.

where as if openai goes down i can no longer use ai to generate a lame cover letter or whatever i was avoiding actually doing anyway, thats all

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Post by weinzierl »

benterix wrote: post #63
michaelteter wrote: post #50

Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI. It took years before most companies who now use cloud providers to trust and be willing to bet their operations on them. That gave the cloud providers time to make their systems more robust, and to learn how to resolve issues quickly.

The point is, OpenAI spent a lot of money on training on all these copyrighted materials ordinary individuals/companies don't have access to, so replicating their effort would mean that you either 1) spend a ridiculous amount of money, 2) use Library Genesis (and still pay millions for GPU usage). So we have very little choice now. Open Source LLMs might be getting close to ChatGPT3 (opinions vary), but OpenAI is sti…

I won't say I disagree because only time can tell, but what you wrote sounds a lot like what people said before open source software took off. All these companies spend so much money on software development and they hire the best people available, how can a bunch of unorganized volunteers ever compete? We saw how they could and I hope we will see the same in AI.
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