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YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Post by JAlexoid »

PedroBatista wrote: post #113
JAlexoid wrote: post #27

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Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads?

> Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? I don't know, people tend to be multidimensional and complex. I'll talk to my therapist. > Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads? I only can talk for myself, but I don't feel entitled. I apply the same level of morality when dealing with these juggernaut companies as they apply it when dealing with me, which is: None. YouTube with ~20% market share…

YouTube isn't 90% of the marker share.

And yes, you are entitled. You've just rationalized it in a way that doesn't cause any cognitive dissonance.

I make woodworking videos on YouTube. The majority of ad revenue hits my account. Just because "you feel" like you're screwing Google, doesn't mean it's true. You're actually screwing people like me.

I'm one. I'm not a giant corporation. Yet people like you like to pretend that blocking ads on YouTube is an FU to the big guy, when it's quite the opposite.(we're talking YouTube ads specifically here)

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Post by mvdtnz »

hau wrote: post #187
JAlexoid wrote: post #147

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Your favourite creator can post a video on Patreon, that you pay for, and immediately remove it. Pointing the finger at YouTube like it's a unique problem is...

I'm comparing it with other platforms, which are usually announce removal beforehand. That's it.

I was never notified in advance before Netflix removed The Office UK or People Just Do Nothing? I was in the middle of both of these shows when they were removed.

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Post by hightrix »

JAlexoid wrote: post #241
hightrix wrote: post #177

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It isn’t adfree. It is “no ads inserted by Google”. In-video promotions are ads. You cannot pay to block them.

You can, however, skip them immediately.

You're absolutely right. I use SponsorBlock and uBlock Origin on Youtube and will continue to do so until there is a way to pay to 1) remove all ads and 2) remove all data collection by Google. Until then, I'll continue paying with my data while blocking ads.

I will not pay for content twice or more.

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Post by JAlexoid »

cykros wrote: post #199
dixie_land wrote: post #59

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No one is entitled to YT videos without ads. But at the same time, Google is not entitled to dictate how my user agent renders a page, locally, on my own computer . I'd have no problem if google just inject ads directly into the video streams. ( by which time, equally I'm entitled to configure my own video player to skip whichever frames I want )

Well, they are entitled to code the page how they'd like, provided it's not anything that meets criminal standards for malware. And if they do start putting ads in video streams then I will likely be writing them off for dead just like I did months ago with Reddit. Til then I'll be using the various moles that still haven't been whacked (there's a good few) and not suffering through the experience. If they think they…

Well... I'm a creator. I choose to post to YouTube with a reasonable expectation that you're either a YouTube Premium subscriber or will produce ad revenue.

None of that entitles you to see my work on your terms, no matter how (insert rant about evil corporate overlords)

Yet here you all are, making any and all excuses for your obvious entitlement.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #252
matheusmoreira wrote: post #242

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It's actually about a silly arms race with uBlock Origin which they'll lose because we're the ones in control of the client. It's only a matter of time before they fix the "YouTube can detect uBlock Origin" bug.

I hate to tell you who is in control of chrome. It wasn’t too long ago that Google announced changes to chrome that ublock origin thought would completely stop it from working. They found a way, but nothing stopping another future change that makes it much harder. Also they just need to start delivering YouTube player as a wasm binary blob.

Funny thing is I'm not even opposed to their ManifestV3 thing. I agree with their browser extension security arguments and think their proposed changes are absolutely a step in the right direction.

It's just that uBlock Origin is so useful and trusted that those restrictions should not apply to it. Frankly uBlock Origin should be literally built into browsers just like pop up blockers back in the day. Only thing stopping this is the inherent conflicts of interest. Google being an ad company and Firefox accepting Google money. Brave is the one going in that direction, its ad blocker is built-in.

> Also they just need to start delivering YouTube player as a wasm binary blob.

I eagerly await the day someone smarter than me creates an AI ad blocker capable of filtering ads, brands, anything really from audio and video streams. Imagine watching a sporting event and the AI just kills all those field perimeter ads. Awesome.

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Post by JAlexoid »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #87
zdragnar wrote: post #78

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If allowing ads is part of the terms of their service for non-paying users, then they are in fact free to not grant you access to the video feed. It's still shitty, but this isn't a thing where you can have your cake and eat it too.

> then they are in fact free to not grant you access to the video feed. Correct, but as long as they do grant me access to the video feed, I should be free to modify how it is rendered on my end as I wish.

You're not granted access to the video feed, unconditionally. You know, same as you're not granted any GPL code unconditionally.

If you want unconditional video streams - Wikimedia is the place for you.

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Post by [deleted] »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #15

It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…

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Post by JAlexoid »

Lammy wrote: post #62
JAlexoid wrote: post #27

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Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads?

Won't somebody please think of the trillion-dollar conglomerate's feelings?? https://companiesmarketcap.com/alphabet-google/marketcap/

Except that most ad revenue on YouTube goes to the creators, that aren't "a trillion dollar company"

This is as dumb as protesting restaurant servers low hourly wage, by not tipping anything.

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Post by slimsag »

candiodari wrote: post #254
slimsag wrote: post #109

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Another possible endgame is all YouTube videos are livestreams and you cannot skip on the timeline, with ads inserted directly into the stream. In that world, the best an adblocker would be able to do is show a blank screen for 30s while it waits for the real video's frames to resume.

Luckily now with AI this is not the problem it once was.

How will AI help you? Make the screen blank for 30s while waiting for ad to end?

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Post by carlosjobim »

lamontcg wrote: post #159
mentalpiracy wrote: post #49

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Google destroying goodwill with a low-effort rent seeking agenda, after years of effort to extinguish real competiton. Giving money to Google for programmatic ads ≠ funding creators. Most creators are small and don’t make any real money from YT anymore, and every year fewer and fewer are willing to endure the infinite mystery box of YT moderation and contentID policy.

Yeah, if it wasn't run by Google, I'd be more likely to pay for it. And paying for it will result in most of my money going to Google and asshats like xQc even though I'd never willingly watch one of his videos and barely know who he is. And I've watched the algorithm wreck some youtube channels that I used to enjoy as the creators chase after revenue. (Not to mention that the ads that Google shows are fucking awful)

> And I've watched the algorithm wreck some youtube channels that I used to enjoy as the creators chase after revenue.

Take a look in the mirror. You wrecked those channels. Together with other people who also enjoy those channels but refuse to pay for the entertainment. So creators are forced to seek a wider audience or a more lucrative audience, because the people enjoying their videos also think that they don't deserve to be reimbursed for their work. You're the algorithm.

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