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Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by dsm9000 »

userbinator wrote: post #139
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #121

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> Text-only BIOS setup was the norm for a long time Long-time Thinkpad users scoff at that ... while the figure of a duck suddenly enters their minds.. (Yes: I clearly remember my pre-USB thinkpad having a graphical BIOS with windows, icons, and a duck-shaped mouse cursor).

For those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTaNi6uL41s BIOSes of the time were all written in highly-optimised Asm, and I suspect those little "easter eggs" they added were because the programmers knew they had enough space left over to put some more fun stuff in. There was also AMI WinBIOS that provided a GUI, but I remember it being much less featureful than other BIOSes of the time with a TUI a…

I miss Openboot firmware that was on SunOS servers and workstations. It was IIRC mostly written in FORTH and we could write forth snippets at the serial console to make mods / query the pre boot environment. I also found the SGI boot firmware similarly functional. Both allowed changing boot settings and allowed to boot from network without any trouble at all. Graphical BIOS that came with the x86 systems was such a downgrade for us especially since you could not interact over serial/remotely with a simple terminal connection. IMHO

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by p_l »

throwaway290 wrote: post #247
p_l wrote: post #223

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In many countries Apple stores aren't run by Apple and won't have access to bug reports.

Uh, what? You mean the actual Apple Stores (which are only available in select countries) are not run by Apple ? That would be new. If you mean various third party resellers then of course, it's just a run of the mill shop that happens to sell Apple products, a completely different experience.

These are licensed shops that serve as effectively local Apple Store (as they are primary contact with Apple for majority of clientele) and then completely 3rd party stores which do not carry Apple branding.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by Kwpolska »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #260
Clamchop wrote: post #259

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Interesting take given that a Mac today has virtually nothing in common with a Mac of the late 1990s, let alone 1984.

Says who?

Mac OS X is a descendant of NeXTStep. It shares no code in common with classic Mac OS.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by NavinF »

kccqzy wrote: post #200
NavinF wrote: post #38

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Interesting. I wonder why anyone would turn ProMotion off considering that 120Hz massively improves responsiveness. I've only encountered one app that doesn't work with variable refresh rate and that's Genshin on Windows. Even that's probably not an issue with newer monitors that can handle VRR down to 60Hz without my monitor's frame-doubling flicker as it keeps switching been 60Hz and 120Hz

Surely I'm not the only one that simply cannot perceive any difference between 60Hz and 120Hz?

Have you done an eye exam recently? With 20/20 vision and no practice you should be able to see input lag up to 1000Hz by dragging any UI element around like the presenter does in this video: https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by throwaway290 »

p_l wrote: post #262
throwaway290 wrote: post #247

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Uh, what? You mean the actual Apple Stores (which are only available in select countries) are not run by Apple ? That would be new. If you mean various third party resellers then of course, it's just a run of the mill shop that happens to sell Apple products, a completely different experience.

These are licensed shops that serve as effectively local Apple Store (as they are primary contact with Apple for majority of clientele) and then completely 3rd party stores which do not carry Apple branding.

Authorized resellers aren't your "contact with Apple", you can simply buy genuine apple products there. Authorized repair centers can do repair and have access to genuine parts. That's all it is.

Apple Store is a totally different shebang, if those are not owned by Apple it would be a major news story for lots of people.

And if they are owned by apple I don't see why their employees can not see bug reports.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by kccqzy »

NavinF wrote: post #264
kccqzy wrote: post #200

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Surely I'm not the only one that simply cannot perceive any difference between 60Hz and 120Hz?

Have you done an eye exam recently? With 20/20 vision and no practice you should be able to see input lag up to 1000Hz by dragging any UI element around like the presenter does in this video: https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

I definitely see it in the video. But no my computer (like all Macs) does not have a touch screen. So without the aid of directly comparing my finger and the object being manipulated on the screen, I cannot perceive the difference.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by fragmede »

throwaway290 wrote: post #265
p_l wrote: post #262

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These are licensed shops that serve as effectively local Apple Store (as they are primary contact with Apple for majority of clientele) and then completely 3rd party stores which do not carry Apple branding.

Authorized resellers aren't your "contact with Apple", you can simply buy genuine apple products there. Authorized repair centers can do repair and have access to genuine parts. That's all it is. Apple Store is a totally different shebang, if those are not owned by Apple it would be a major news story for lots of people. And if they are owned by apple I don't see why their employees can not see bug reports.

If you are familiar with Apple, you may have heard about their obsession with secrecy. If you haven't, they are obsessive about secrecy. Apple store employees don't get unrestricted access to Radar, their bug tracker, because they don't want their secrets getting out. The text in a bug could accidentally hint at a new feature on there next iphone, and Apple can't have that happening.

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Post by bscphil »

School-Cotton wrote: post #209
bscphil wrote: post #131

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By the standard of "do you ever need to consult forum posts to solve a problem", sure, Linux is worse than macOS. By the standard of "do you ever need to consult forum posts to fix hardware that has apparently been bricked by a software update", macOS seems to be considerably worse. At least, that's my experience. I've never had hardware damaged by Linux, which I've run almost exclusively. On the other hand the one A…

> macOS seems to be considerably worse Most users will just take their machine in to the Apple Store when this kind of thing happens, rather than try to fix it themselves.

Sure, but that's when they get told "you need to replace the logic board, that'll be $500 since it's out of warranty". That's not a theoretical problem either, people were literally told to do this back when the Big Sur brick happened to my model (2014 MBP). Eventually users figured out on their own that you could just replace the I/O board (not the mainboard / "logic board"). Apparently (going by that forum thread) disconnecting and then reconnecting the I/O board fixes it as well for some people (I don't remember whether I tested this), but this isn't something that Apple happily figured out and did for everyone who walked into one of their stores. We had to fix it ourselves.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by rangestransform »

secondcoming wrote: post #92
jwells89 wrote: post #56

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Even for text-only I’d prefer native rez if possible to reduce scrolling, label truncation, etc. That said yes, there’s no reason why there shouldn’t be a low rez textual fallback.

Then you'd need scaling and all that. Seems a bit overkill for something people rarely use.

I think the rest of the PC industry could use some of the "paint the back of the fence" mentality that apple has; as of right now, many aspects of PCs off of the happy path are ugly as shit
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