It feels like if we just made these big companies pay what they should in taxes we'd be able to take some big steps towards health care, better schools, improving our crumbling infrastructure...
Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The stock price doesn’t seem to be hurting pre-market at all. Big investors will have eyes and ears inside the IRS, so will have known for years about this already.
Are you really suggesting that investors run spy networks and that they spy on the IRS?
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
The entire point is that MNPI is a legal concept and information can be both nonpublic (i.e. private correspondence) and tradable for profit (i.e. material) and yet does not constitute MNPI. You're making the exact mistake that I've repeatedly tried to correct. There is no bad faith on my part.
Your personal opinion on what "material" means might differ from the court's (and also differs from mine, at least how you phrased it), but I can assure you, a $30bil tax bill is DEFINITELY material. It's a "legal concept" in the same way that every word used in a lawbook is a legal concept; the US is based on case law, and there is a large amount of precedent for this definition in particular. Again, refer to the Wi…
Remember that agencies like the IRS, FDA, SEC must not leak a single bit of information (investigation/no investigation). Because that single bit is sufficient to profitably trade on. A hedge fund doesn't need to know the specifics or the exact date of an enforcement announcement in order to make out like a bandit. A tiny amount of signal is sufficient. In fact, a tiny amount of signal is preferred. If a firm knows for a fact that MSFT is in trouble with the IRS they can't trade on it. But if a little bit of information leaks from an agency, that's gold.
Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
#264Transfer pricing is sort of just a pile of black magic. Microsoft's American business is required to charge their European subsidiary some "fair market price" for the Windows intellectual property, but what is a fair price for a license to sell Windows on the European continent? Unlike with fungible goods, there is no established market for this product that the IRS can easily refer to. In this case Microsoft is sayi…
Is this basically the Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich?
Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
#265Transfer pricing is sort of just a pile of black magic. Microsoft's American business is required to charge their European subsidiary some "fair market price" for the Windows intellectual property, but what is a fair price for a license to sell Windows on the European continent? Unlike with fungible goods, there is no established market for this product that the IRS can easily refer to. In this case Microsoft is sayi…
Is this basically the Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich?
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#266No message about how greedy Europe wants to steal money from big tech, yada yada yada. Oh, it's the USA this time? Wait, does this mean that these big tech were really not paying their fair share and the USA was just slow to get caught to it? I guess so.
Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
#267Transfer pricing is sort of just a pile of black magic. Microsoft's American business is required to charge their European subsidiary some "fair market price" for the Windows intellectual property, but what is a fair price for a license to sell Windows on the European continent? Unlike with fungible goods, there is no established market for this product that the IRS can easily refer to. In this case Microsoft is sayi…
Is this basically the Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich?
Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s why a scam startup is able to rocket as soon as 1 named investor signs on. See the juice squeezing bag company etc.
On paper it makes sense to have a microprocessor guide the pressure used on fruit and vegetable pulp [0]. Between that and the introduction of software to manage the fruit supply chain, the Juicero embodied Marc Andreessen's prophecy [1]. Unfortunately, they got the verb wrong: software is eating _not_ drinking the world. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juicero 1. https://a16z.com/why-software-is-eating-the-world/
Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
#269No message about how greedy Europe wants to steal money from big tech, yada yada yada. Oh, it's the USA this time? Wait, does this mean that these big tech were really not paying their fair share and the USA was just slow to get caught to it? I guess so.
Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B
#270Transfer pricing is sort of just a pile of black magic. Microsoft's American business is required to charge their European subsidiary some "fair market price" for the Windows intellectual property, but what is a fair price for a license to sell Windows on the European continent? Unlike with fungible goods, there is no established market for this product that the IRS can easily refer to. In this case Microsoft is sayi…