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Post by Tao3300 »

hyperhopper wrote: post #226
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Landis' behaviour strikes me as being very peculiar. Shouldn't he have attempted to preserve evidence on the bullet rather than simply putting it into his pocket?

I am also skeptical of Landis, but what do you mean about preserving evidence? It's a bullet. It just was next to an explosion that cleared it most most evidence. Then the barrel rifling altered the metal. That would not be harmed by picking it up. Then it went through jfk. Okay, we already know his DNA is on it. The real question is why are you picking up random things from a crime scene and then putting them down i…

> The real question is why are you picking up random things

Probably seemed like a good idea at the time. My wife was in car accident once where the airbag deployed. For some reason her immediate reaction was to roll down the window. People in stressful and perilous situations sometimes do things that make no sense.

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Post by [deleted] »

beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

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Post by Aeolun »

Someone wrote: post #252
hyperhopper wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also skeptical of Landis, but what do you mean about preserving evidence? It's a bullet. It just was next to an explosion that cleared it most most evidence. Then the barrel rifling altered the metal. That would not be harmed by picking it up. Then it went through jfk. Okay, we already know his DNA is on it. The real question is why are you picking up random things from a crime scene and then putting them down i…

Picking up the bullet destroys the evidence of the exact location it ended up in.

So would the car accellerating after the bullet landed there. Picking it up and putting it on the stretcher seems plausible?

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Post by ianburrell »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #240
ianburrell wrote: post #213

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The magic bullet took a straight trajectory through Kennedy and Connolly. Modern theory is that they weren't seated in a straight line and Connolly was turned. Oswald could definitely have made the shots. He was a trained Marine marksman. There have been multiple tests showing that it is possible to make the shots. Kennedy had a small entry in back of the head. The explosion on top and side of head was not the entry…

But you can see from video evidence that they were sat aligned and Connolly was not turned. If you are in the room, you might be able to make the shots - although the FBI failed to, and Oswald was a lousy shot - but my main problem is that he could not have moved through the building as needed without being seen by some people, and not by others who did. The photos of Kennedy do not show a small wound in the back of…

The autopsy of Kennedy shows small wound in the back of head, top and side blown off, and no wound in the front. The bullet fragments were in his head, which makes a forward shot impossible. The video is deceptive because it is from behind and doesn't see full explosion.

Oswald was a good shot, he was rated sharpshooter and marksman in the Marines. Lots of people left to watch the motorcade. Memories are always unreliable. Oswald was supposed to be working.

It is possible that FBI was working from bad info or incompetent. It was thought that the last two shots were rapid fire. But there is better info now that the shots were spaced out with plenty of time for bolt action rifle, and the "rapid fire" was echos. Lots of people have recreated the shots, some not that good shots.

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Post by Aeolun »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #116
koolba wrote: post #2

> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…

Landis' behaviour strikes me as being very peculiar. Shouldn't he have attempted to preserve evidence on the bullet rather than simply putting it into his pocket?

He was also a 24 year old that had just seen the head of someone very familiar to him explode in front of him.

I’m kind of inclined to expect peculiar behavior from him.

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Post by ianburrell »

hyperhopper wrote: post #226
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Landis' behaviour strikes me as being very peculiar. Shouldn't he have attempted to preserve evidence on the bullet rather than simply putting it into his pocket?

I am also skeptical of Landis, but what do you mean about preserving evidence? It's a bullet. It just was next to an explosion that cleared it most most evidence. Then the barrel rifling altered the metal. That would not be harmed by picking it up. Then it went through jfk. Okay, we already know his DNA is on it. The real question is why are you picking up random things from a crime scene and then putting them down i…

Are you from some other timeline where there was explosion at Kennedy assassination?

The bullet they are talking about is the "magic bullet" that hit Kennedy and Connally. The bullet that hit Kennedy's head distinegrated and they found fragments.

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Post by chaostheory »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #163
chaostheory wrote: post #106

He should have spoken up 2-3 decades earlier for better credibility. Internally, the KGB considered the JFK assassination as a coup

By whom? And did they consider it successful?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/27/560345132...

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Post by stevage »

becquerel wrote: post #13
koolba wrote: post #2

> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…

Crazy that he chose to keep this secret for six decades. I wonder what possible reason he could have to bring it up now. Hmm, hmm, hmm.

Same reason Carly Simon revealed who was so vain.

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Post by jcranmer »

simonh wrote: post #244
interestica wrote: post #206

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As time goes by I'm less and less sure that I saw the second plane hit the tower on 9/11 live. I think there's a similar "induced memory" surrounding who watched the challenger disaster live. (Fwiw, I'm still pretty sure I watched it live)

I didn’t see it live, it was on a news replay minutes after it happened. I remember thinking I have to tell my brother and my dad, but what will I say? It felt a bit like when you stub your toe and it doesn’t hurt yet, you know something bad has happened and this is the pause before the impact hits when you tell everyone. I seem to remember them asking what exactly had happened, and I struggled to explain what I’d se…

> With 9/11 I seem to remember one of the impacts only being seen from the explosion, but you couldn’t see the plane itself. Maybe that was the second one?

There is an archive of several news channel and their coverage of 9/11 at https://archive.org/details/911/day/20010911#/. Some of the news channels had better viewpoints and saw the second plane hit on live footage [1]. The NEWSNW channel has a very solid view of the second plane as it hits, which causes the reporter there to react mid-sentence. Note that's the live coverage; since there's so many cameras pointed out the towers by that time, there's several different angles of the actual moment of impact (although most news channels were focusing on the views that best showed the damage at the first tower when it happened live).

There's only three known recordings of the first tower being hit (the best quality one being from someone shooting a documentary film who heard the plane, looked up with the camera, and recorded it as it hit). The hit of the Pentagon is only recorded by a security camera, where there is but one frame with part of the plane being just barely in the view before the impact.

[1] This takes place in the first or second clip of the second row of the 9:00-9:10 segment, depending on how bad the delay is.

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Post by raylad »

It was the conclusion of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that there was a high probability there were two gunmen.

This was based on acoustical analysis of Dallas police radio recordings:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-repor...

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