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Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by spobo »

xpose2000 wrote: post #16

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

He has the skill to assemble and lead/manage a group of quality engineers & designers. He connects people. People who want to program it, who want to invest in it and users who want to use it. His ideas might not be that great (or better put, fitting) these days but that doesn't make him less useful. He's also a thought leader and someone people look up to. He's a great asset to any company really.

I wish him all the best at Google.

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Post by rayhano »

xpose2000 wrote: post #16

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

Isn't Google full of developers, run by developers? Maybe they need an ideas guy... they do seem to be coming up short for say... the last five years?

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by rayhano »

jayliew wrote: post #53
xpose2000 wrote: post #16

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

To quote pg: "A hacker who has learned what to make, and not just how to make, is extraordinarily powerful." As a developer, it is frustrating to see fellow developers place too much importance on being able to code as a necessary ingredient for startup success. As a hacker, I'd say that most hackers know how to make, but don't know what to make. That is to say, most startups from these type of hackers with the "if I…

Google is full of developers that have proven they have no idea.

Therefore hiring an ideas guy makes perfect sense...

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by chernevik »

sanderjd wrote: post #245
chernevik wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not doable. Not good at this stuff myself, but at core it seems to be driven by recognition of emotional states and making emotionally intelligent responses. This sort of thing isn't beyond learning -- disciplines like art, music, sports develop the core skills, and we can all become more self-aware. But it doesn't lend itself verbally stated principles.

Obviously it can't look much like Codecademy and perhaps it is not about verbally stated principles. Maybe the bigger question is: how does the progress that has been made by people using technology to reduce the financial and social barriers to learning technical material translate to learning "softer" material? If we want to eventually live in a world where the university in its current form has been superseded (an…

This is actually a solved problem. Start here: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1643

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Post by peacemaker »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #211
lrobb wrote: post #180

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Wow... A hits driven business? I had never thought of it like that before, but it makes so much sense and explains so many things... Like why google is willing to pay 1-2 million per developer... But half of the bay area companies on careers.stackoverflow don't offer relocation.

One of the reasons why companies do not offer relocation is that if person can be lured to move into Bay Area then the same person can be lured to move out of Bay Area.

I'm sorry but that can't possibly be the reasoning. They don't offer relocation because there are so many developers in that area anyway and startups are notoriously tight on their budgets (justified or not) so would rather not spend the money. Being fairly new to the US, yet a long time developer, I attempted to get work out west (I'm east coast right now) but no-one in the bay area would pay to relocate it seemed so I guess I'll be staying here for a while!

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by untog »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #248
untog wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what you mean to say is "it's hard to get a job as a developer if you're not a good candidate".

I'd actually like to back him up on this, at least partially. There is an outcry for developers in the Bay Area, but mostly just in the Bay Area and mostly just for web/mobile developers. The shortage is hyper-specialized, and thus so are the job requirements, thus excluding most of us who call ourselves developers.

Hm, well I'd say that if you are any other kind of developer looking for a job, it's really not that difficult to transition into web development. If it isn't what you want to do then that's fair enough, but it's where the market is.

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Post by sanderjd »

chefsurfing wrote: post #256
sanderjd wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously it can't look much like Codecademy and perhaps it is not about verbally stated principles. Maybe the bigger question is: how does the progress that has been made by people using technology to reduce the financial and social barriers to learning technical material translate to learning "softer" material? If we want to eventually live in a world where the university in its current form has been superseded (an…

I am certain a world full of autodidacts would supersed the university system we see today. For these autodidacts the universe might truly become a "University of Life". I am also certain that the true barriers keeping most people from becoming autodidacts are not financial or social but rather built by the schooling system into our minds. This schooling system itself was probably setup to create obedient soldiers an…

That barriers are "built by the schooling system into our minds" is exactly what I meant by my "social barriers". Sorry for not being clearer, we agree on that point. I still think there are very real financial barriers to education, perhaps not for the true autodidacts who can learn everything from a book, but for everyone else who requires some structured instruction.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by sanderjd »

chefsurfing wrote: post #253
chernevik wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not doable. Not good at this stuff myself, but at core it seems to be driven by recognition of emotional states and making emotionally intelligent responses. This sort of thing isn't beyond learning -- disciplines like art, music, sports develop the core skills, and we can all become more self-aware. But it doesn't lend itself verbally stated principles.

Not one person is born with the skills listed. They are all learned through experience - Same as programming. If anyone has learned anything valuable from hearing "verbally stated principles" please send me a link to that podcast! However verbally stated instructions on how to pass through a specific educational experience are more likely helpful to the learning process. "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I…

Nothing you say is wrong, but neither is any of it an argument against instruction. It is incredibly helpful to hear and forget before you see and remember before you do and understand.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by snowwrestler »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #248
untog wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what you mean to say is "it's hard to get a job as a developer if you're not a good candidate".

I'd actually like to back him up on this, at least partially. There is an outcry for developers in the Bay Area, but mostly just in the Bay Area and mostly just for web/mobile developers. The shortage is hyper-specialized, and thus so are the job requirements, thus excluding most of us who call ourselves developers.

There is strong demand for developers in the Washington, DC area as well.
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