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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by justrealist »

bmer wrote: post #231
justrealist wrote: post #175

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- 2019 - 2010s? Hard to tell what you are referencing - Not a real example (subcontracting is not the same as selling off state properties). So yes, 2-3 examples from the UK over the past 2 decades is not really compelling.

So, why then did you ask for: > Can you name off the top of your head the last 3 significant privatizations? I can list similar privatizations in Canada. Here's an article that discusses various issues around it in the Canadian context: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02648... Even further back: during Prime Minister Mulroney's tenure (which coincided with Reagan's and Thatcher's), quite a few…

I asked you for the 3 most recent examples you could think of, and your recent examples were decades old.

You have now linked me to a paper discussing privatization happening in the 1980s and 1990s.

If you want to make the argument that this happens frequently in the west, you need to find examples actually happening this decade. I don't feel like this should be controversial.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

roenxi wrote: post #260
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #166

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Austria is the lobbying arm and safe heaven of Russian banks, oil & gas and oligarchs in the EU, and vice versa, Austrian banks and companies are heavily invested in Russia, and you don't just get to be a major investor in Russia without the bribes, connections and blessing of some very high up people in the government. Pretty sure plenty of German politicians were similarly cozy with Russia before.

While there will be obvious corruption involved in that, voting for access to cheap energy and access to foreign economies for investment are both things I'm in favour of. Being warm in winter and being wealthy are both good outcomes. So corruption is bad in all its forms, but that corruption doesn't threaten me. A pretty basic assumption about Google and Facebook is that the US 3 letter agencies use the data in coup…

>Being warm in winter and being wealthy are both good outcomes.

You can be warm in the winter without doing deals with "the devil", and most average Austrian people don't benefit from that corrupt "trade", just a few banks and oil execs and real estate moguls who get to become even richer, unless you're gonna tell that their immense riches will "trickle down" to us plebs, any minute now.

>A pretty basic assumption about Google and Facebook is that the US 3 letter agencies use the data in coups.

Sure they do, which is why maintaining tech supremacy is a national security matter of the US, and an issue Europe doesn't get, that the more you fall behind in mainstream tech products and services, the more you are at the mercy of the US (and China).

The fact that US companies own all the biggest cloud, social media and chat platforms, gives the US incredible leverage, that nobody else has.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by at0mic22 »

throw-ru-938 wrote: post #17

Context: Yandex is in the news right now because a couple of days ago its cofounder and former CEO Arkady Volozh was caught trying to hide his Russian past [0], and today he finally issued a public statement condemning the war [1], almost 1.5 years after the full-scale invasion began. [0] https://kz.kursiv.media/en/2023-08-07/co-founder-of-yandex-e... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-yandex-volozh..…

Every time some beefy guy makes such statements, you can safely read it as "I got money in a western bank, please don't freeze it"

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Post by mayd »

blackpelican wrote: post #228
roenxi wrote: post #48

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There is a reasonable argument that, as a minor nobody, we should rather use services from hostile countries. It isn't feasible for Russia to to compel someone in an English-speaking country to do something unpleasant. That is a lot more than can be said for the local police or politicians. Russian corruption doesn't generally touch Western governments - the atmosphere is too hostile to it.

The UK is significantly influenced by Russia. Brexit is a prime, recent example, as well as the frequent donations from oligarchs to the Conservative party

Your claim that Russia influenced Brexit, which the Cameron-led Conservative government opposed, has been thoroughly debunked, as has the Trump-Russia collusion hoax in the US. Indeed, a certain Guardian "journalist", who promoted the Brexit-Russia influence hoax, lost a defamation case against her for falsely promoting it. The UK, which is currently governed by a Conservative party majority parliament, has also been, from the start, one of the most aggressive and dependable supporters of Ukraine in her struggle to resist the Russian invasion. So, I am wondering, to what kind of "significant influence" are you alluding?

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Post by NicoJuicy »

mrguyorama wrote: post #236
NicoJuicy wrote: post #211

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Dictators like Putin don't rule by normal logic. In this case it's imperialism: - Donbas: rich on natural resources - Crimea: large amount of gas was found in 2008. Project by shell was ready in late 2013. They invaded in 2014.

You're forgetting literally the most important parts: Putin wants to be remembered as a unifier of Russia.

I don't think he really cares. Sure, he would like that.

But if he needs to choose between his "moral code" and his big fat palace.

The palace wins

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Post by oneshtein »

konart wrote: post #249
oneshtein wrote: post #173

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They may send killers just for you. For example, they are killing Holodomor researchers around the world (genocide of Ukrainians in 1932-1934: 25 millions were starved to death, 20 millions are recorded as Russian, millions were killed or executed).

>they are killing Holodomor researchers Any examples?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Jones_(journalist)

https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%BA...

https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A9%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BD...

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Post by trasz4 »

afavour wrote: post #135
someone321 wrote: post #119

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> To me, the fact is that before pointing to what wrongs others do, we should fix our own thing. What's the phrase... letting perfect be the enemy of good? We'll never be perfect. So by that logic we won't ever be able to criticise anyone, even if their record is considerably worse than our own. > The US collects so much data about everyone, but people seem to find that ok. On the other hand, Russia collecting data i…

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Post by smolder »

afavour wrote: post #135
someone321 wrote: post #119

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> To me, the fact is that before pointing to what wrongs others do, we should fix our own thing. What's the phrase... letting perfect be the enemy of good? We'll never be perfect. So by that logic we won't ever be able to criticise anyone, even if their record is considerably worse than our own. > The US collects so much data about everyone, but people seem to find that ok. On the other hand, Russia collecting data i…

> What's the phrase... letting perfect be the enemy of good

I don't think this applies. When it comes to privacy of its citizens, there is no 'good' in the anglosphere. In the US we have a constitutional amendment specifically about the government not snooping, but it's effectively moot. There is no respect given at all to the privacy of citizens by government.

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Post by smolder »

consumer451 wrote: post #201
andreygrehov wrote: post #183

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> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

> Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower? For the same reason that despots around the world "hate the west." [0] Because it takes the domestic population's eyes off of all the domestic issues such as rampant corruption and curtailment of basic freedoms. [0] See: Iran & North Korea who non-coincidentally are both supplying Russia with arms which are used to kill Ukrainian grandparents and chil…

They don't just "hate the west" because it distracts their citizens from domestic issues. That's ridiculous. They are resisting the global hegemony in defense of their autonomy. Just like we don't sign up to be slaves, as individuals.

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Post by consumer451 »

smolder wrote: post #269
consumer451 wrote: post #201

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> Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower? For the same reason that despots around the world "hate the west." [0] Because it takes the domestic population's eyes off of all the domestic issues such as rampant corruption and curtailment of basic freedoms. [0] See: Iran & North Korea who non-coincidentally are both supplying Russia with arms which are used to kill Ukrainian grandparents and chil…

They don't just "hate the west" because it distracts their citizens from domestic issues. That's ridiculous. They are resisting the global hegemony in defense of their autonomy. Just like we don't sign up to be slaves, as individuals.

What does "resisting the global hegemony" have to do with annexing neighboring countries, slaughtering civilians in their homes, and then kidnapping their children?
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