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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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> But lawmakers agreed to the bill late Wednesday as Justice Minister Eric Dupond-Moretti insisted the bill would affect only “dozens of cases a year.” Technically he is not lying or naive, because any number, including large numbers like 66 million, can be expressed in units of dozens.

> dozens

I find it funny that "dizaines" (tens) got translated to "dozens" (which would be "douzaines", but is rarely used except for eggs).

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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what is "our" government? this site is worldwide..

Y Combinator is an American company and the website is hosted in the US.

Google, reddit, amazon, twitter, and every meta website too.

This is a dumb observation.

US people needs to stop pretending the USA are the only place that matters on earth.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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From the French Revolution, to this. How far the mighty have fallen.

I mean, the French Revolution was very-shortly-followed by the Terror, so we can hardly present this as a simple slow decline from a golden age.

The terror was fully part of the revolution, and was notably when the vote for France to proclame itself a Republic happened. Support for and against the king came and went throughout the revolution. The vote for abolition of monarchy in 92 (so, 3 years after it began!) and then for death penalty of the king in 93 was heavily influenced by the fear of retribution for whom may vote against. France would likely still be a monarchy if not for the terror.

FWIW, France became an empire, then was restored as a monarchy, then back an empire and monarchy before it became a republic durably.

Revolution was not a series of peasants and commoner ridding themselves of their despots, it was much more dirtier, political and complex than that, which doesn't prevent to still be behind the ideals that drove the events and find it beautiful.

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United States, couple years ago my friend in his mid-thirties was feeling depressed after his mom died. Came over to hang out, and wasn’t responding to his sisters calls. His sister called in a welfare check on him and suddenly I have three cops knocking at my front door. They ask for him by name, say he isn’t in trouble. I go get him; he asks “how did you know where I was?” and the cops say “we pinged your phone”. W…

The police can access all call logs; if they found your number among his last calls, starting from your house would have been among the first things to do in normal investigation.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Is it time to flat out abandon smartphones?

It has always been, because they were never open systems. I'm waiting for when it isn't socially unacceptable to ask people not to bring their phones when they visit.

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Saying all cops are anything is exactly the same thing as saying all blacks are thieves, all Jews are greedy, or any of the other blanket statements that can never apply to any large group of people. It’s disgusting.

It's okay to dislike people for the bad things that they do. It's not okay to dislike people for the circumstances they were born into. Every cop, at least in the US, made the conscious decision to join a broken system where they would be rewarded for greed and corruption, and be allowed to dehumanize any group they decide they don't like. People who sign up to be cops who try to change any of this end up not being c…

Without police, do you think things would be less broken? Or more?

True lawlessness is not less oppressive than the current system.

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or they just triangulated using his cell phone, it can be very accurate in urban settings

Police need a warrant to get location data from your cell phone provider. No department is bothering with that for a welfare check unless the situation is really dire, and the process still takes a while to carry out. "Where do you think your brother is?" "Oh probably at XYZ's place" is a much more straightforward and common process.

Police need a warrant to demand that data. Nothing stops the provider from handing it over willingly.

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Despite all the technology in the world the majority of police work is still plain old-fashioned knocking on doors and making phone calls. People will always voluntarily give up all the information in the world to be seen as good citizens. In your friend's case I'm willing to bet that they asked the sister for the names of his close friends and acquaintances and yours matched up.

No. They can locate anyone's phone on demand. The services that do this can generate a likely street address from GPS or tower triangulated location. This is how many criminals now get caught while on the run. It isn't magic police work but rather the personal tracking device everyone carries. Likewise some spree killers have been tracked down by geofencing phones known to be around all crime scenes and zeroing in on…

Source?

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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> #ACAB At least for me, this comment loses its thrust with this hashtag. It takes a potent observation and adds unnecessary partisanship. It's also connected with the mother of all blowback slogans: defund the police.

It’s not partisan to dislike police, it’s just misappropriating anger with the system onto a single component of the system. It’s incredibly myopic and counter productive to defund police in places where they depend on police for their safety. Missing the forest for the trees.

>> places where they depend on police for their safety.

That is misguided. We should take care of ourselves and voluntarily help our neighbors.

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