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How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

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Re: How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

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what? > cidium "act of killing," from caedere "to kill, to cut down" (from PIE root *kae-id- "to strike"). https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=homocide https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=fratricide https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=suicide lots of others

Wrong. See https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

Interesting, so I think you're trying to draw attention to Article II yes?

""" Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. """

I wouldn't recognize this as a dictionary definition but rather a legal document outlaying its premises and defining its terms. All but item b I'd argue are a form of killing, the ending of the demographic line either immediately or incrementally. You have to look at all these definitions in terms of the ultimate end being sought after by the perpetrators and these five categories are all means of doing so. The only stretch definition is b which I imagine is a much slower form of destruction. It's still a necessary clause though because imagine a dictator amputating the hands of all members of some group and claiming they didn't kill them therefore they didn't commit genocide. That would be a fraudulent claim because they effectively severely debilitated their ability to provide for themselves and function, they severely wounded that group so that one wouldn't be surprised if they did wind up dying and not thriving some time later on account of that action through indirect causes directly tied to that original offense.

It's not an ancient word however, apparently it's a 20th century construction coined by Raphael Lemkin. """ He decided to create a name for the crime without a name. He came up with genocide, which he defined as the destruction of a nation or an ethnic group. He said he created the word by combining the ancient Greek word genos (race, tribe) and the Latin cide (killing). """ https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/where-did-word-geno....

The book he coined the word was authored in 1944, the UN convention was signed in 1948 https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide-convention..., very close in time and I'd say complimentary but still a legal document meant to get in writing specific means of destruction for that genos. So it's a emphasis on the means, not the end, and I'd say an equivalent definition is intentionally causing the end of a collective bloodline however that end may be accomplished.

Re: How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

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A lot of people actually use VPNs in China (since 2010 even), and some of them call it "加速器" which basically means "booster" (for your internet). Some use it for lower latencies when playing foreign games. The issue is that VPN connections get easily blocked. We aren't really worried about legal issues. Except for that one time when police (of a certain district, not everywhere in China) knocked on people's doors to…

Surely Xinjiang has stricter rules and more aggressive enforcement than the other provinces/regions? They always put a hardliner in as party head.

Probably, but there's a real history of many terrorist attacks in China being planned online. It's why Facebook is blocked. Look at what the US did to Muslims after 9/11

Re: How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

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I was wondering about simply using VPNs, which is not mentioned in the article at all, but checking GFW on Wikipedia, it tells: > The use of VPNs in China can provide individuals access to the international internet, but in China, it can be a potential legal risk. In 2017, the Chinese government declared all unauthorized VPN services to be illegal.[94] An example of the use of this punishment is Vera Zhou, a student…

A lot of people actually use VPNs in China (since 2010 even), and some of them call it "加速器" which basically means "booster" (for your internet). Some use it for lower latencies when playing foreign games. The issue is that VPN connections get easily blocked. We aren't really worried about legal issues. Except for that one time when police (of a certain district, not everywhere in China) knocked on people's doors to…

Sure, but you're ruining the yellow peril narrative we need for our cold war with China.

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I think China doesn’t care if foreigners use a VPN, it’s their own people they want to keep under control.

Just be prepared to spend a year or two in prison if relations between your country and China worsen and they need a hostage.

Like the executive from Huawei who was imprisoned in Canada

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When I was in China in 2019, the VPN built into google fi actually got me around the GFW with zero effort. I didn’t even realize it until I caught myself checking American social media unhindered. My experience is most younger and tech savvy people have a VPN. It’s common / casual, like speeding your car by 10mph on the highway. Most people are not persecuted for using a VPN, I assume that’s reserved for people who t…

The reverse is true as well. I traveled in India with a friend from China who used their Chinese sim card in India, and their data was censored through the firewall. Really annoying to be outside China and not able to use Google maps.

Could that just be India blocking Chinese sims?

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She did commit a crime by travelling to Russia with an illegal substance, for which she got roughly the same sentence as a typical Russian would get if caught with a similar amount of drugs. This case doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary, except for the "criminal" being a famous foreigner.

Half of 20-year-olds in StP and Moscow would be in prison if that was true. Her arrest and imprisonment was entirely political.

They also don't cross borders with such things, as a foreigner, I'm not defending it but it was stupid to do.

Of course a foreigner is going to be possibly vetted more.

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She did commit a crime by travelling to Russia with an illegal substance, for which she got roughly the same sentence as a typical Russian would get if caught with a similar amount of drugs. This case doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary, except for the "criminal" being a famous foreigner.

Using a VPN in China is also a crime.

That the party ignores to access Twitter for propaganda and privileged people ignore for entertainment.

The party isn't technically the government of China.

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I visited Israel circa 2012 and this was true even then.

> I visited Israel circa 2012 and this was true even then. It used to depend on where you were coming from. When travelling to Israel for work a few years back, my passport (irish citizen) was not stamped, but my colleague's (at the time, a Turkish citizen) was.

That’s… were they fucking with him?

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Can we not call that "cute"? That seems needlessly abrasive for people who are genuinely unaware.

I agree. I flagged that comment, because I strongly believe that it's not suitable for HN, and I encourage you to do the same.

Re: How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

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USA will issue “anyone” 2-3 valid passports at the same time. This is designed for two reasons: 1) you travel a lot and sometimes may need to mail your passport off to get a pre-travel visa from some consulate, while you are still outside the USA. This way you can send off one passport to get the visa for your next country, while keeping a valid passport with you while you’re abroad. 2) You need to travel between Isr…

Israel no longer gives you any visa stamps in passport. https://www.touristisrael.com/the-israeli-passport-stamp/974...

But your passport is still tainted if you use any Israeli land crossing--they see the stamp from the other country and infer you were in Israel. Unlike what we saw in the 80s in Africa--so long as "South Africa" didn't appear you were ok. The border stamps into/out of South Africa didn't cause problems. The possession of a fair quantity of supplies with packaging in English/Afrikaans didn't matter--but the first day across the border the organizer had us stop and very carefully go over everything with a sharpie looking for labels that said "product of South Africa"--those had to be totally blotted out.

And to show how stupid things were--he also had a stamp he had made up to make forged entries on our yellow books. At that time your average joe certainly did not have an up-to-date smallpox shot--but at multiple border crossings they would hit you up for a bribe if you didn't have an up-to-date smallpox shot. Hence fake them. (Even around 2000 which was the last time I had occasion to have anything added to my yellow book there still was no anti-counterfeit protection.)

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