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Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

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Re: Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

hutzlibu wrote: post #254
NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #216

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> They are toxic. If you ate enough salt to reach a toxic dose of sodium ferrocyanide, you’d already be dead from hypernatremia though? The dose makes the poison.

"The dose makes the poison." Yes it does and it all adds up. So why would I add more things, that are poisenous even at small doses, when I can easily avoid it?

>Yes it does and it all adds up.

No, it doesn't, because sodium ferrocyanide is poorly absorbed in the first place and not bioaccumulative in humans. I suppose you also don't each spinach or almonds either?

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Post by mauvehaus »

InvaderFizz wrote: post #33

Best popcorn you can make is cheap and easy cleanup. Take one large pot (the kind that holds like 10qts). Cover the bottom with kernels. Add a bit of oil, basically just enough to swirl and have everything covered in an oil sheen, not enough to have them submerged. Cover, put on high (I use gas). I like to suspend a paper towel between the lid and the rest of the pot, absorbs excess oil and water. Once popping slows,…

Old Bay seasoning on popcorn is fantastic. I usually don't butter if I'm putting it on, though I'm sure that would be delicious too.

Re: Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

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Post by hackernoteng »

FiddlerClamp wrote: post #260

I use a reusable flexible plastic bowl and popcorn from a jar I pour into it - inside the microwave. Wonder if that's just as harmful.

everyone at this point should know that you dont put plastic into a microwave

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Post by throwaway173738 »

Nition wrote: post #232
jondwillis wrote: post #87

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Having just started my dishwasher with a rinse aid, I checked on some of the ingredients. All of them slightly toxic w/ little potential to bioaccumulate. Do you know what chemicals or products restaurants tend to use?

My dishwasher manual suggested using white vinegar as a rinse aid alternative. I thought it might make the dishes smell like vinegar but it's been fine.

I use white vinegar to deodorize my clothes and can confirm that it evaporates when dried.

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Post by wumms »

hutzlibu wrote: post #162
gruez wrote: post #122

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What's wrong with the anti-caking agents?

They are toxic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_ferrocyanide The amount is small enough, that it is supposed to do no harm, but I just prefer my salt without cyanide.

Me too - though the LD50s (rat, oral) of both are quite close:

NaCl: 3.000 mg·kg−1 [0]

Na4[Fe(CN)6]: 1600–3200 mg·kg−1 [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chloride

[1] (german, as the english version has no LD50) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natriumhexacyanidoferrat(II)

Re: Eating microwave popcorn increases the level of PFAS in body (2022)

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Post by hackernoteng »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #78
gnicholas wrote: post #6

Once I learned you can just microwave plain kernels in a paper bag, I threw out all of our microwave popcorn. Even low-salt/low-fat is much saltier and richer than I prefer. Now with this PFAS news, it's yet another reason to ditch the prepackaged popcorn.

Also price difference is nuts. Kernels are as cheap as oats almost.

they are cheap but I find they dont last that long - the freshness goes away unless you find a way to store them very airtight.

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Post by zo1 »

op00to wrote: post #227
askvictor wrote: post #89

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Out of interest, why do you prefer a salt grinder? I've never understood why these exist. Pepper grinders, absolutely - the aromatics are released on grinding. By not so with salt. Curious if I'm missing something.

My conjecture: salt grinders create more irregular shapes than provided by commercially made table salt. Irregular shapes mean more surface area, which means faster absorption into the body, which means tastier food. Totally without evidence.

I'm a big fan of tomatoes, and one of my favorite dishes is sliced tomatoes, salted, and eaten with cheese.

For some reason, normal salt just sticks on the top of the tomato despite it being wet and I can "taste" the salt not just saltiness. However, with crunched salt crystals, they basically dissolve and disappear into the moisture of the tomato. This just tastes better too.

Don't ask me why or how it all happens, it's just what I've found using my taste buds.

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Post by tornato7 »

myshpa wrote: post #244
mdp2021 wrote: post #174

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> Dupont/3M did (and continue to do) a level of harm 3M is on The Economist today with relevance to this matter: > 3M, an American conglomerate, agreed to pay cities and utilities $12.5bn to settle thousands of lawsuits that had alleged chemicals emitted by the firm's products had polluted drinking-water supplies

PFAS 'forever chemicals' cost society €16 trillion a year https://euobserver.com/green-economy/157075

This is absurd. The GDP of the entire world is on the order of ~$100T. How can this article claim that 15% of all GDP is spent/lost due to PFAS without going through absurd calculations like how long it would take to remove every bit of it from water supplies using current inefficient methods? (Obv I'm not paying for a euobserver subscription)

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Post by tashoecraft »

gumby wrote: post #192
autoexec wrote: post #139

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I guess it'd depend on what the agent was, but either way, it means some amount of the salt you're pouring over your food isn't salt. Eliminate the non-salt from your salt and you never have to worry about what might be wrong with it or how much non-salt you're paying for. That's the reason I've switched to shredding my own parmesan cheese instead of just shaking it out of a can since the cans in some cases contain ~…

Table salt is just sea salt (the stuff mined from underground just comes from an ocean that dried up a few million years ago) and is full of other compounds beyond NaCl.

Table salt often contains iodine which will alter the flavor.

The reason to grind your own salt is to get it at the right size.

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