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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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What are you talking about? When has “the left” been in favor of eroding the access to, or quality of private and secure communication in a comparable context?

When it calls for their equivalent groups on the right ("Generation Identitaire") to be banned ? When it attacks hotels where Zemmour is having a book-signing event ?

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this article miss a whole part of the story. among other things, these person came back from a warzone. looks at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_du_8_décembre_2020

Very interesting; it looks like these people went to Syria to fight ISIS, and got this ill treatment when they returned. Why does it seem like the French government is always supporting the worst actors in any conflict? ISIS is (was) so evil and barbaric, they make Putin seem like a great guy. Why would volunteering to fight them ever be seen in a bad light?

Viewing with suspicion someone who volunteers to fight in a foreign war does not imply support for any party in that war. We can criticize the French government but it’s an extreme exaggeration to suggest that they support ISIS.

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For context: dissolution of far-right groups in France under center-left government, or generally before Macron were rare since the 90s. The reasons : - trying to kill the president (under a right-wing president, when right-wing didn't actually meant authoritarian), - actually killing someone, - terrorism (found bombs and shit). Dissolution of right wing groups under macron: - massacring gays around the pride parade…

Do you have sources for the "right-wing groups" dissoluted for "masscring gays around the pride parade" ? Thanks.

I know of Generation Identitaire banned after it protested the construction of a Mosque, i didn't hear the lefties defend right to protest at that time. :)

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I seem to remember I was on the FBI watch list for subscribing to Linux Journal back in the day.

And how did you find out about that?

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extre...

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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> EU knows and complains about Poland & Hungary but France is going to be a shitshow of a far worse magnitude. I am French too and this sounds greatly exaggerated. Either you don't really know about the situation in Hungary or you have a very twisted view of what's happening in France (maybe induced by the medias). You should take a step back.

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There was no coup attempt in the US. Trump was legitimately elected, and proved to be competent as a president, if somewhat weak due to opposition from the entrenched bureaucracy ("deep state"). He was certainly less of a warmonger than his immediate predecessors or successors, for which the world should be grateful. All the hysteria about him proved to be just that.

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> opens a serious precedent Of note for US readers, France legal system is not a jurisprudential system as in the US. That is, a judge's ruling does not become law - i.e must be followed as law by another judge -, only parliament can make law. The only instance having a form of jurisprudence power is Cour de Cassation, but that's only indirect: being the ultimate instance of recourse CCass rulings for similar cases h…

That's interesting. So even if the judge knows their ruling could be the worst of several options, they're boxed into doing so because it's the law?

Yes. In such cases a reasonable judge ultimately aim to bring justice but can only do so within the confines of law. I recall talking to a few who had to rule in terrible ways (e.g remove a child from one's parent custody because of known but obsolete and largely unrelated past records and granting exclusive rights to the other who was known abusive but had only hearsay to back it up) and took every possible course of action to mitigate and make it less unjust but had their hands tied. They were all experiencing unfathomable psychological distress.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> opens a serious precedent Of note for US readers, France legal system is not a jurisprudential system as in the US. That is, a judge's ruling does not become law - i.e must be followed as law by another judge -, only parliament can make law. The only instance having a form of jurisprudence power is Cour de Cassation, but that's only indirect: being the ultimate instance of recourse CCass rulings for similar cases h…

That's interesting. So even if the judge knows their ruling could be the worst of several options, they're boxed into doing so because it's the law?

What do you mean the worst of several options?

The law is the law, if it's unfair it gets changed.

Having the judge "making it up" as he goes, and then another judge using that sentence 120 years later as precedent like in american courts sounds insane

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

France kinda has a history of things going bad, their rulers overreaching, and people then taking matters into their own heads,...

I somehow hope this time it can end less violently, but with how much (a lot of french) people hate macron, you never know...

The larger problem is, that it is spreading to other countries and EU itself (just think of how many times EU tried to stop/backdoor/outlaw encryption). Add a new upcoming crisis, recession in germany and the long-term problems brought with eu expansion, and things are about to get even worse.

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