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Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Reddit would be infinitely better without any subreddits bigger than about 100k subscribers.

So what does user 100001 do?

I think that OP talks on the logarithm scale. 100k vs 1M is a big difference in quality of content and discussion. 1M vs 10M is even more so.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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What's next? Degrading the front page experience like a few years ago over I forgot what drama. I think ultimately this will blow over but I'm curious how far motivated actors can break/cripple the platform, at least in terms of valuation.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…

You are clearly feeling very righteous, but I think you should temper your righteousness. You might want to consider that while spez may not be the best human, he has had a commendable commitment to free speech. The Reddit platform has been protecting speaking truth to power, and in this case that power is himself. He has the power to shut down anti-spez content on reddit and for the most part has let his platform be leveraged against him.

Another executive won't matter because it's not the executives determining direction. It is the investors. It is the investors that want to destroy one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet. It is investors that don't want Reddit to be a platform for speaking truth to power because they are that power that truth would be spoken to.

When people write posts like this, they are missing the forest for the trees. It is the investors who are to blame. The investors benefit when spez gets blamed and not themselves.

I see no reason to think we would get a new CEO better than spez. I am not defending spez, I am not defending his edits of people's posts, but the fish rots from the top, and the investors are above the CEO. The investors are the party that deserves blame.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

#264

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I've often wondered why people use Reddit for stuff like this since the information and conversation management and organizational tools seem vastly inferior to most any pre-Reddit forum software. My current working theory is largely that internet search is just broken. It's easier to search for subreddit once you're on Reddit than to wade out into the sea of SEO crap and try to find a live, reliable format on the br…

Everyone uses Reddit because everyone uses Reddit. Most people old enough to remember forums agree that forums were a dramatically better solution, but they're generally dead now (with some exceptions). Discourse is almost entirely Reddit or Facebook these days.

Forums were and are generally terrible. When you get a forum in a Google result, or for some topics where forums still are a major way to distribute information, usually you get a crowd of uninformed but confident people, paginated poorly, with a bunch of dead links. The worst is people who write or distribute code and use forum posts as a substitute for version control. That is still a thing in some niches.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

#265

14 or 15 year Reddit user, mostly as a lurker -- I strongly support this. Reddit is a community, and a community is its people.

but its people aren't allowed in? doesn't this prove reddit is not its people but rather a small group of moderators?

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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But in this case the alternative is not MacOS or Ubuntu, but a distro nobody has ever heard of. Third-party app users may be the more die-hard/advanced user group - and the minority - but I wonder how many of them are willing to switch to a small distro which might not have the content or might have an even shittier app experience. If there are no alternatives, which today there aren't to the best of my knowledge, my…

There hasn't been a strong need for alternatives so there was little motivation to make one (or improve the ones that exist). I think that's going to be changing now. I don't expect a rapid fall of Reddit or Twitter but rather a slow decline. It's not unprecedented.

That's the risk they take, indeed. Also the risk for anyone who migrates as chances are the alternative is not profitable either. In the end, to sustain the offering party needs to be profitable or at least break even.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

#267

This is what is needed to put pressure on Reddit. A two day protest then returning to normal is a blip in the grand scheme of things. But if they do not change their API pricing, stance on third party apps, etc, then a prolonged blackout could lead to an eventual exodus. I hope the communities I used to engage in partake in this prolonged blackout.

You know, I'm beginning to think that Reddit really doesn't need to do anything. It might be best from a PR perspective to let these mods kill their subreddits. People will be chomping at the bit to start their own replacement subreddits.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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I really wonder if it would be better to go the other way.

Mods take a break, and just let the bots shit allover the content.

It takes like 20mn of un-moderated internet before it's all ads and spam... Reddit is basically reddit because of the carefully curated posts.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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If that happens, wouldn't the next obvious thought for the "rebelling" users be "spam and troll these subreddits as much as humanly posssible"? And they'd be extra motivated too, since forcibly removing the mods would be seen as escalation of the conflict.

Content spam is way easier to manage especially automatically and I don't mean with LLMs, just current tools. The only reason why it's working right now is because the mods in charge of these subs are upset, and a few mods can shutdown a 30m+ sub. I suspect the number of users on r/aww that care _that much_ to get their account banned for spam. If it was just users being upset (which would be the case if reddit recla…

How have you come to that conclusion?

Just earlier this month Reddit started having issues with follower spam -- something that was specifically a problem because it bypassed volunteer mod control and Reddit was doing a shit job taking care of it. There were tons of threads about how to turn off those notifications.

Just yesterday Musk was lamenting about how bad the bot situation on Twitter has gotten recently.

And none of that even gets into keeping content on topic for a community, just straight up spam.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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People are there of all types, no matter their age. My take is feeling offended is a choice. Personally, I just let it slide off and continue my life. Life's to short to get offended by these things. But we are different and that's fine.

I'm not offended, I just don't really see a reason to build community or amass knowledge on platforms that demonstrate they no longer give a hot toot about the community that made them.

OK, misread the tone of your previous comment.
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