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So we should blame the victim?
https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235124.html
He wouldn't be the first person to pack up and go home because dealing with RMS is impossible.
Rust: The wrong people are resigning
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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning
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Exactly what it says on the tin. Where do rustconf/rust lang leadership diverge from rust users. If 40% of rust devs are women, but only 10% of leadership is women, they are an under represented group in leadership. There might be reasonable reasons! The existence of an under represented group isn't wrong, it's just a time to ask, "why is it this way?" To be clear, I'm not saying there should be no under represented…
The rust leadership group is very small, so statistical representation isn’t really possible, other than luck. That’s just the reality of the maths. Do you think proportional representation should be forced?
> Do you think proportional representation should be forced?
What gives you the impression I would want that? I said, quite clearly, that deviations from the norm are worth asking questions about, but those deviations can be fine.
Do you think they should be forced?
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The "don't leave, stay and fix things from the inside" pitch is how the political schemers try to pull the tech talent back into an arena where they can be worn down into submission, so that their skills can be co-opted by those whose only real talent is to steal the productivity of others. The only way to free a project from such entrenched rot is an ultimatum; "You can have the builders or the schemers, but not bot…
“If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?" I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?" To shrug.”
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#264This is the reason why we cannot take the Rust community seriously with these tantrums. We have given them enough time to get a grip on this nonsense and instead they are embarrassing themselves with pantomimes like this. I had very high hopes on Rust, but it seems that they have to find another tiny first world issue to complain about and magnify it into a giant nothing. Admittedly, this whole saga is more entertain…
Then some ideas of the post went over your head. Whenever there are people there will be drama, and you wrong when you lump together ordinary contributors and drama queen. A community is not a hivemind.
There is no other language community that has such an extreme level of evangelists that loves to create tantrums and outrage over the smallest things and blow it up out of proportion more times than Rust.
We have given the Rust 'community' and governance plenty of time to grow up and be less infantile and it doesn't seem that they want to be taken seriously at all with this melodrama.
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#265As a Gopher sometimes am always wondering what’s the big deal ?, like proposal rejecting is like a second nature, who want to talk about features about a particular language? esp a language like go ?, maybe because there’s too much “entitled” devs in the rust community ( tbh I wouldn’t be surprised ) well am always here with my popcorn for more drama
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He also like just read the original blog post on stream, said a couple of things about it, mentioned that it's not good that this stuff is happening and moved on. Honestly I don't really see much milking there.
Yeah, seems a bit weird for me to see that there. I like both of these guys, but Primeagen seems to be attacked a bit out of the blue here. He’s reacting to this just like he’s reacting to literally anything else on his channel. I also don’t think it’s been anything too bad, he’s said his opinion, just like the rest. He reacts to it with energy (and in an entertaining way, imo), and it’s impossible for him to not add…
Apparently they’ve talked: https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/166296357643953766...
Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning
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I vehemently disagree. Unless there is reason to suspect race is a factor, which there is none in this case, then discussion should move on the issue at hand, and speculation about racism should be discouraged or ignored. Your perspective, while well intentioned, is exactly the sort that drives needless division and suspicion in modern discourse.
If the one black guy in the entire convention had his talk downgraded through back-channel means, I would suspect race had to do with it (if only obliquely, in that often black peoples actions are often received in much less good faith than other races). If it was actually just general leadership incompetence I think that would be important to highlight. It’s super weird when the only black guy gets sus behavior, but…
The problem with assuming race has something to do with it is, you don’t learn the author’s race as you read his blog and interact with him via git.
So you must assume either that the decision makers knew through other channels, or that without knowing, they’re out-crowding him via subconscious selectors.
If you think this is a race thing, you probably think everything is a race thing.
Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the one black guy in the entire convention had his talk downgraded through back-channel means, I would suspect race had to do with it (if only obliquely, in that often black peoples actions are often received in much less good faith than other races). If it was actually just general leadership incompetence I think that would be important to highlight. It’s super weird when the only black guy gets sus behavior, but…
The problem with assuming race has something to do with it is, you don’t learn the author’s race as you read his blog and interact with him via git. So you must assume either that the decision makers knew through other channels, or that without knowing, they’re out-crowding him via subconscious selectors. If you think this is a race thing, you probably think everything is a race thing.
Humans are capable of consuming information that is not from blogs or git so I have no idea what you're trying to convey here
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Considering two of the first commenters in this gist are Kirby and a Dall-E anime girl, sounds like a spot on assessment. Not that people should be shamed for their personal interests! Everyone should imbue some of their personal style in their work, that's how we generate creativity and so forth. That being said, I think the problem is when personal style overlaps too much in what needs more professional separation…
It can also be pretty off-putting for women to be honest. When someone's avatar is an AI-generated "waifu" picture with deep cleavage, I don't think it looks welcoming for the average female programmer...
Calling them female is much more off putting. Women is a word.
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>This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers Anime/furry culture has a significant overlap with the Rust community as far as I can tell as an outsider. E.g. there was that guy developing a Linux GPU driver for M1 Macs, narrating it with an anime "waifu" avatar and a speech plugin that makes you sound like a little girl from a Japanese cartoon.
I assume you're referring to Asahi Lina, who I believe presents as female.
The cartoon is female, but there's a guy behind, right?