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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by sssilver »

coldtea wrote: post #176
pier25 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

> Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.

iPad does MIDI. You can do Bluetooth MIDI and if you want cables you can buy a dongle.

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Post by jtode »

joshspankit wrote: post #84
jtode wrote: post #36

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Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

> domination of music is one of the pillars of Mac's success. If they're not just neglecting that, but actively screwing with people... They've lost the plot. They’ve lost many plots. Musicians, developers, and even photographers. Apple’s playbook seems to have changed to: - Hook a demographic with functionality that’s anywhere from just good enough to excellent - Railroad them in to using as many first-part services…

So, Chokepoint Capitalism.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by jtode »

gcr wrote: post #103
jtode wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

offtopic, but what keyboard controller do you recommend? I have a cheap MIDI keyboard but the keyfeel is all wrong compared to the upright pianos I used to play as a kid. I'd like to get back into piano, and I know I struggled with phrasing/dynamics, and I worry that unweighted keys will teach me bad habits even though they're technically velocity sensitive...

At the moment I'm using a Launchkey 61 when not using my weighted digital piano.

I do also own a Roland VR-09, which by the way is incredibly hackable courtest of Ctrlr and a couple of custom panels. What is pretty cool about the Roland is, in organ mode the keys respond to hair trigger touch like a real B3, so you can do those really fast funky effects. I will probably always return to it for organ, at least until I can afford a real Hammond.

The arguments people are making about having a piece of hardware that you just turn on is certainly valid, but they are also comparing to a stock laptop running a general purpose OS, and also, clearly can afford to spend the money. For those of us who are so well off, Zynthian is a project that greatly streamlines things, and encompasses basically everything out there in the Linux audio ecosystem, including Pianoteq, on a Raspberry Pi. They're also just about to release a new version. I've been messing around with them for about a year now and they're the real deal.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by bodge5000 »

cageface wrote: post #10
grafzhl wrote: post #2

Been making electronic music for well over a decade, but always in the classic DAW arrangement view, at most using MIDI keyboards in terms of haptic input devices but relying on mouse and keyboard 95% of the time. I look at devices like Push or Maschine and my immediate thought is how tedious it seems to get anything done with them. I find the different approaches to manifesting musical ideas endlessly fascinating.

I find grid based systems like Ableton great for getting short loops together but making the jump to a finished track is a lot harder. I have folders full of sketches I've built up in years of using it but very few things I'd call finished.

Funny enough I always found the opposite, I find Renoise great for making short loops but putting them together into a full track to be a pain, and then visa-versa with Ableton and software like it.

The OP-1 is where I've found this to be especially the case, incredibly easy to make a loop on but never managed to make a full song on it, aside from using mutes/effects on a single loop to stretch it out into a full track

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Post by rewgs »

pier25 wrote: post #239
rewgs wrote: post #212

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> Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller. > Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU Good luck running...most plugins, u-he or otherwise, on an iPad. That said, the question of which plugins will/won't work running directly on the Push is an interesting question. It runs Linux, no? u-he is one of the few "big" plugin devs that supports Linux,…

> Good luck running...most plugins, u-he or otherwise, on an iPad. Yeah that's a good point. OTOH all the U-He stuff is already ARM native for macOS. But my point about the iPad was more about comparing the cost. If Ableton had chosen to sell the computer part at a more reasonable price (say $300) I would't have even mentioned it.

> Yeah that's a good point. OTOH all the U-He stuff is already ARM native for macOS.

Right, the problem is not a technical one, it's an app ecosystem one. Urs has spoken about this at length on KVR. This IMO is a great reason for Ableton to have not gone the iPad route, because it's a problem that doesn't look like it'll be solved anytime soon.

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Post by bodge5000 »

Obviously the workflow is very different, but it looks like they're going after the Deluge. Whilst I can't afford either device, I'm always happy to see standalone boxes that can produce full tracks on their own.

A bit off tangent, but a (very) minor reason I like to see that is because their capabilities are much easier to research. If you go watch a video of the deluge in action, you'll see what the deluge can do. Aside from in a few cases, if you go on youtube and search for Moog Subharmonicon videos, you can see what you can do with it IF you combine it with a full board of effects, a massive modular synth and an expensive midi keyboard, but if you want to see what it can do on its own, keep looking.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by xdfgh1112 »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #24

I understand why it's expensive, but as a hobbyist who'd want this for some fun at home, I do wish there were a cheaper standalone device without some of the fancy things like MPE and a battery.

You want an MPC One.

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Post by punkbit »

When I preordered the Akai MPC Live, just before release, I was super excited. Quite disappointed afterwards, when found Live meant absolutely nothing more then marketing. The question was, when was Ableton going to release a standalone version? Used to spend a lot of energy on Akai community forum and always felt that the community was toxic, even though I was an early supporter of Akai MPC, during premium Japan (2000, 2000xl, s2000, 2500) before it being bought by inmusic or whatever it’s called. I jumped to the Deluge, sold first purchase and bought again after they announced live looping but end up selling again. End up selling the MPC Live too, it was a dust collector, a big chunky pointless machine, very toxic community. At the time there were rumours about a Push Standalone and even evidence. We had to wait until 2023 and a new chapter begins that makes the MPC pointless.

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Post by [deleted] »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #229
coldtea wrote: post #175

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> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

The part that gets me is that it’s x86, and not even very recent x86. This CPU model was released for retail in Q3'20. It’s 10nm. I would have much preferred to see something like a 4nm Zen4 Ryzen or ideally, some combination of ASIC / ARM there. The other annoying thing is that it doesn’t even include a Live standard license at this price, only Live Intro. That’s just being cheap on Ableton’s part. The big benefit I…

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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by brokenmachine »

intrasight wrote: post #123
Zobat wrote: post #63

So they built a Linnstrument? Honestly don't know who was first, but I know I looked at the Linnstrument a long time ago (when my daughter Linn was really young, she's 13 now). The Linnstrument looks better and has more buttons, and more is better, right? https://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linnstrument

And Linnstrument is open source. And is a generic MIDI controller that works with any MPE compatible synth and any MPE VSTi instruments - such as Audio Modeling. The Push doesn't support VSTi.

Push does support VSTi when you connect it to your PC.
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