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Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ctingom »

pwthornton wrote: post #129
toni wrote: post #120

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It is unfortunate that AppleTV's video output (out-of-the-box) still does not support true 1080p resolutions and everything is upscaled from 720p.

I expect to see a 1080p Apple TV this year, since the A5 and upcoming A6 can both do 1080p video. The current Apple TV is A4 based, which is limited to 720p. With the new iPad having a resolution above 1080p, Apple finally has a reason to have 1080p iTunes content. Beyond that, Apple may not have wanted to take A5 chips away from the iPhone and iPad to sell in Apple TVs. Now that all of the new iPads and iPhones will…

Prediction: Apple is the company that takes TV past 1080p into much higher resolution displays (when they actually release an Apple TV). Movies are already shot at much higher resolution, and Apple will introduce Apps (subscribe to a show or network, for example).

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bwarp »

sid05 wrote: post #204
evan_ wrote: post #192

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> Oh and I don't have to pay 99GBP to write software that works on it. Visual Studio is free. Not sure what you're talking about, XCode is free. Visual Studio is $799.

He's referring to the fact you have to pay $99.00 to distribute your apps on the App Store. The IDE's on both OS's are irrelevant arguments. There are free versions of Visual Studio as well that work just as nice as the Professional editions. Those editions are for corporate enterprise architect roles etc.

And us corporate solution architects tend to use ArgoUML if we have to delve into that crud.

VS Express is actually pretty much fine for 90% of development work. If you are in a TDD environment, you don't even need the unit test stuff as NUnit ships with a GUI test runner.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sbov »

philwelch wrote: post #169
moe wrote: post #150

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Last time they took inspiration from iOS we ended up with "Launchpad", an inverted scroll-wheel, and the god-awful "restart all applications after reboot"-nuisance that cannot be fully disabled. Thanks but no thanks.

You like restoring all your applications by hand every time you have to run Software Update?

I would love it if it restored things to the proper desktop. When it actually matters (i.e.: you have multiple desktops setup with different browsers for different purposes, making re-opening them all in the proper place a pain) it is useless.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bwarp »

mrshoe wrote: post #211
bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

Don't fall into the trap of comparing Apple's feature list with that of other vendors. Apple makes these lists of new features to compare one version of OS X to the last, but they don't make those grids full of green check marks and red X's to compare their products to competitors'. There's a reason for that. New features might provide a reason to buy a $29 OS X upgrade, but they don't represent the reason people cho…

It's only integrated if you use it in the way that Apple expect you to. Otherwise, the coupling and integration between the applications is horrible. And yes I know about Automator.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

moe wrote: post #150
swombat wrote: post #81

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"Inspired by" doesn't mean "equal to"... I don't see any evidence that those features turn your mac into an ipad.

Last time they took inspiration from iOS we ended up with "Launchpad", an inverted scroll-wheel, and the god-awful "restart all applications after reboot"-nuisance that cannot be fully disabled. Thanks but no thanks.

I bought my first mac this fall. I can honestly say I love Launchpad and the inverted scroll wheel. Don't be afraid of a lil change.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

I'm not an apple fanboi, and all those new osx 8 features don't really vibe with my needs. but osx=> unix (more or less), windows ~= unix. That's game over in my book.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by masklinn »

illumin8 wrote: post #207
bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

OneNote only comes with Microsoft Office. Which you can also purchase for Mac. Xcode is free. A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. Want to release trusted apps on Windows that don't throw up scary looking security warnings to your users that download them? Guess you'll need to pay $299 a year to Verisign or some other CA for that privilege. Gatekeeper is actua…

> A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign.

According to Gruber, signing OSX apps will be free (which is sensible: it's really a service to Apple)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by crag »

I wished they'd fix bugs in lion before releasing the next version. Bluetooth problems, wireless connection (mostly with new MBA's, etc ) - there are huge threads on both these issues in the Apple forums. Among many others.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by saurik »

moe wrote: post #150
swombat wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Inspired by" doesn't mean "equal to"... I don't see any evidence that those features turn your mac into an ipad.

Last time they took inspiration from iOS we ended up with "Launchpad", an inverted scroll-wheel, and the god-awful "restart all applications after reboot"-nuisance that cannot be fully disabled. Thanks but no thanks.

For the record, neither the iPhone nor the iPad restarts applications after reboot; the only applications that are started when the device boots are MobilePhone, sometimes MobileMail, and any app marked with "run in the background" permissions that explicitly request it for scenarios such as VoIP (e.g. Skype, so it can sign in to the service on boot).

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

I actually like the idea of it being both (and and ipad becoming a desktop) Launchpad for ipad like utility, the normal desktop for desktop things, have both on both systems. Lets be honest here, we are moving away from a central computing device model, to a model with many peripheral devices. I'd like it if they all acted the same, and were capable of displaying the same content, as well as providing the same ability to create.
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