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I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky
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#262some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this isn't an official policy statement): - content on bluesky is public, but we have not set expectations/comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal group" is still…
How do you intend to prevent someone from manipulating their mirror? Are users signing their messages before publishing to a data server? It is unclear from the documentation.
all public account content is in a "repo", commits to the repo are signed, and the identity resolution mechanism gives anybody the current/active signing key.
the most direct analogy is to signed git commits. this is an intentional design decision compared to signing individual messages/posts/etc. A "proof" for a single record in the repo is the commit, the record, and the chain of merkle tree nodes connecting the two.
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#263QRD on the foundation of all this? Bluesky is a company that built a social media network on top of their proprietary "@" (at) protocol?
AT Protocol is open source, so not proprietary. My understanding is that Bluesky as a company is building a client experience, and funding the development of the protocol, but the long term vision is for open source and federation, so no central controlling entity. In fact there are already several other open source competing clients that can be used with the private beta, and Bluesky (currently) has no issue with th…
BlueSky itself is already open source and on GitHub. Paul was doing a live stream of himself working on it today, even.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Social solutions to social problems. Perfect!
Not perfect. Brings the problems of social solutions too. Popularity contests, smooching, people & groups ostracized for status game reasons, other forms of social bullying and so on. It’s maybe great for a frat, but it will struggle for exploring the fallow lands close to controversial topics. This happens to be where a lot of the really important stuff happens, the explorations that lead to growth. You can’t solve…
Perfect wasn't the right word to use, but in the age of LLMs, deep fake images, video, and voice; No one should take to heart anything they see on these screens.
Don't take this the wrong way, I have no reason to believe that you're a real person and not a fun contrarian bot. And you to myself as well. :)
In either case, our wetware isn't suited for social interactions at this scale. I think small, invite only, social rings are much better than what we have now. Yeah, people are going to play silly games, but we won't see a solution to that for a very long time.
As for the people who are eager to explore the edges of controversial ideas; they should be aware of how to discern a group that values progression through challenge over one that demands consensus, and steer clear of the latter.
And to your final point about being useful to the world, it would be better to strive to build a system useful to just your loved ones and local community. Plenty of people exhaust themselves over words on a screen from fake people on the other side of the planet. We have enough ancient and contemporary text from philosophers and religious leaders to remind us that people, specifically the people physically around us, matter more than anything. But of course, there's no money to be made with IT cookbooks, so we don't talk about them.
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TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent a new commercial social network. And one of the things that needs…
This tells me that you don’t actually want what Twitter is (was?) good at. Mastodon is clearly not a replacement for me. It’s a different type of community/service, one that doesn’t have much value for me. (Not to say it’s bad! I just don’t care for it, it doesn’t do something I want.) Equally, Twitter wasn’t (and mostly still isn’t) terrible for everyone. Everyone gets to choose what it is! I am particular about who…
> Mastodon is clearly not a replacement for me.
Fediverse/ActivityPub is not just Mastodon.
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#267It's very interesting they are using camelCase for their Postgres column names instead of snake_case. I like it. Is that something folks are doing? Can it be done without "doubleQuoting" all of the response column names or without using an ORM?
Probably using Java or similar so the columns are easier to serialize.
They're using TypeScript.
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#268I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…
I’m excited for blue sky just because I’m excited to see movement in real alternatives to the couple of major social players.
I also wish I could actually get an invite to BS. I’ve been waiting a long time and they seem unlikely to actually hand it out at this point.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the issue is partly technical, but mostly product, in that neither Mastodon nor it's servers are very obvious in usage, and finally its 'too decentralized'. We don't need 'ultra decentralization' aka a different grocery store on every corner, nor do we want one single grocery store in the middle of the city, but rather just 'choice'. Frankly it's like most things, we just want to avoid monopolization. That sa…
The big thing is that there needs to be a path for users who don't care about the geeky shit to have a compelling experience with very little cognitive load at any step of the process. Us humans will gravitate to sub-optimal options if it offers less resistance... There's a reason the top 12 highest grossing US chains are fast food. BlueSky seems to offer a simple centralized service to those folks AND offer federati…
Yes totally but I don't think D-K is necessarily it but you've tapped into a big source.
Not only do most users 'not care' about stuff, it actually is not that important ... until it is.
Twitter is actually 'good enough' for the most part. I don't like it, but I use it and find it acceptable. It's a big thing to ask people to shift gears for no really apparent reason (aka 'Musk says nasty things and is unfair!').
So yes, that is a primary product less: it has to be super, super easy to use and understand. Maybe, maybe, you can find a funnel to get people a bit more up the path of understanding. Maybe.
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How do you intend to prevent someone from manipulating their mirror? Are users signing their messages before publishing to a data server? It is unclear from the documentation.
all public account content is in a "repo", commits to the repo are signed, and the identity resolution mechanism gives anybody the current/active signing key. the most direct analogy is to signed git commits. this is an intentional design decision compared to signing individual messages/posts/etc. A "proof" for a single record in the repo is the commit, the record, and the chain of merkle tree nodes connecting the tw…
Who signs new nodes in the tree? The server or the content creator? What prevents a server from creating content for anyone?
So you can confirm it was not changed, but cannot confirm that the original addition came from the real person?
I don't see anything in the docs that talk about cryptographic signatures or key management.