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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dathinab »

avargas wrote: post #27
jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the…

it sounds bad

but it's pretty common in any multi USB-C port laptop

and most times the intuitive port usage will anyway be the right one

Like most external devices don't benefit in a notivable degree from USB-4 over USB-3.2. The most common exceptions are expanders, docks, monitors with integrated docks, eGPUs and similar.

But most of the you would normally anyway prefer on the back ports to get the cables out of the way.

Where the front ports are more often used for input devices, usb disks and similar. But they very very often yield the same practical performance on USB-3.2 and USB-4 (not always, but _really_ often).

So yes for some people which want 4 USB-4 port or 2 USB-4 ports and a HDMI port and a charging port and are not okay with the charging cable being on the front right port.

But the huge majority of people will not care.

And there are limitations with what the different laptop CPUs can support so it's not that they could just have magically added additional USB-4 ports or give DP support to all ports.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by chrismorgan »

codedokode wrote: post #49
bitL wrote: post #43

Better display please! 2256x1504 is so 2010!

For 13" screen isn't that more than enough? I barely see pixel grid on 1080p display.

2256×1504 at 13.5″ is 200ppi, which is awkward, clearly designed for a scaling factor of 1.5×. You’ll get drastically better results by going up to 2× scaling with 3000×2000 display like the Surface Book’s (267ppi), partly from the increased resolution and partly just from avoiding the difficulties or quality loss (depending on approach) of fractional scaling. (As a matter of fact, environments that use integral scaling plus downsampling will produce better results on a lower-resolution 1× screen for a lot of types of content.)

I now use a laptop with a 188ppi display (which I use at 1.5×), because that was where I found the best compromise at the time. I really miss the resolution of my Surface Book.

> I barely see pixel grid on 1080p display.

Honestly, if you can see it at all, it’s not high enough.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by deepbluev7 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #198

"We haven’t opened ordering in your region yet, but we’re looking forward to getting there!" ...I've been waiting for two years with money in hand. Please let me pay you, please? Printing a set of keycaps for Scandinavian layouts can't be _that_ expensive?

Just get a blank keyboard and sticker on your own legend if you need to. They have both enter sizes. (Only half joking, and you can buy a different keyboard once it is available in your locale.)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by Phelinofist »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #28
goosedragons wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinebook Pro count? There's also some support for the Thinkpad X13s Snapdragon.

I have a pinebook. its. a fun toy but the trackpad is trash and there's not much if any HD space so I still use my MBP as a daily driver. I'd happily pay more for a pinebook pro with at least 512 gb of space, 8 gb of ram and a beefier battery. the cpu performance is on the low end but workable.

I would love to have a pinepook (without pro), but whenever I check their site it is not orderable. Anyone know when it will become available again? Is there some newsletter I can subscribe to? I did not find anything and asking in their discord did also not help

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by forty »

bitL wrote: post #226
G3rn0ti wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And almost no PC laptop copies that concept. The benefit is simply not that compelling unless you are designing type faces maybe. But maybe we boring PC people just can’t miss what we don’t know. Like Bentley cars or Champagne when we can get Toyotas and sparkling wine. ;)

...or maybe it's just market segmentation to give PC plebs inferior tech? You seem to be proud of being what some marketing exec views as an unimportant low-margin value segment only good for getting rid of old stuff.

It's probably an eye thing. I looked at higher resolution Macs carefully and I honestly cannot see the difference (despite not having known eyesight issues). I'm sure if I'd train my eyes enough I might end up seeing the difference, but I don't really see why I would want to train my eyes on that and then having to complain my whole life about standard screens not being good enough.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by sillystuff »

taraharris wrote: post #164

Is there any proprietary firmware on these? If this is truly open, I'm excited, otherwise I do not care one bit. (Scrolling down the comments, I am honestly disappointed that I am the only person asking this question. Or does everyone else already know and I'm just out of touch?)

Maybe someday? I'd love to see this too.

AMD to consider coreboot/Libreboot support for Ryzen [1]

Although, the only Framework with Coreboot support is their Chromebook, which has to use Coreboot per Google. But, comments in this thread seem to indicate broader use of Coreboot may be possible from Framework, in the future [2]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13781408

[2]https://community.frame.work/t/coreboot-on-the-framework-lap...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by genericone »

prettyStandard wrote: post #247
dcow wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It you who's not getting my point. I explicitly said I understand that effectively there's no difference for you at the moment with framework vs other vendors. My point was that having an open system still puts you in a better situation than a closed system (and that it's not fair to criticize Framework for 3rd party parts vendors not existing since that's how this thread started), for numerous reasons but especially…

You would think we're talking to ChatGPT astroturfing for Dell or Lenovo.

Autonomous muddying-the-waters GPT agents. Autonomous propaganda GPT agents. Autonomous competitor-bashing GPT agents. Autonomous signal-boosting GPT agents. Autonomous thread-bumping-without-adding-new-info GPT agents.

The internet is in for a wild ride with the above agents. I don't think internet discourse will survive.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dathinab »

hutzlibu wrote: post #69
f_devd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be a bit of tinkering but you can enable suspend-then-hibernate with logind/systemd which gives you a similar setup to Macbooks but slightly slower to wake from deep sleep as it needs to go through post/grub again. With the bigger battery provide and new CPU I do hope it lasts longer when idle though.

"It might be a bit of tinkering" Thats an understatement. I never made suspend-then-hibernate work reliable on linux and I tried it over the years on different systems. So I just had developed the habit of always entering hibernation, if I intend to close the lid for longer. On windows suspend-then-hibernate never failed so far. Drivers are just the crux with linux in too many cases. Not much you can do about it, exc…

I use it too it's not hard to setup and works well (with very few exceptions and if you use a "recent" enough linux kernel, depending on your hardware).

Once hibernation is setup just set systemd [Login]HandleLidSwitch=suspend-then-hibernate and maybe configure the delay with [Sleep]HibernateDelaySec=5min.

Hibernation most times works nice too (even with Full Disk Encryption (FDE)) there is just one gotcha, lockdown mode is currently fundamentally incompatible with hibernation (even through it's docs seem to imply something else, they refer to a not yet existing feature). And some distros enable lockdown mode by default if you use a proper FDE setup. Leading to a lot of confusion about hibernation suposedly not working anymore in linux or being incompatible with FDE.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by i80and »

vhodges wrote: post #255
safety1st wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I reading this right? * There's a decent built-in gpu * Or I can plug an external gpu into the back * Or I can rip out the mainboard on an old Framework and pop this one in * Or I can pop this mainboard into a Cooler Master case or some rando 3D printed case and have a PC which can sit on my desktop, underneath my TV, etc. (Granted this thing probably won't have the horsepower of a real desktop but for a lot of wo…

Yes, decent iGPU. But no on an external GPU in the back since this is for the 13" which has no modular bay for internal GPU (They mean a USB4 -> PCIe dock for the external GPU). There IS a 16" coming that will let you plugin a dedicated GPU. I will probably order this (or it's next version) one for my machine in 18 - 30 months since mine is only ~6 months old. edit: and apologies if I mis-understood or am being pedan…

You can plug in an eGPU with this.

From the post:

> If you want to use an eGPU, you can do that too! This is because the Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots.

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