Respect psychoactive substances. And don't take them if you aren't going to integrate learnings / cultivate your foundation with them.
LSD: Not Even Once
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#262I mean, shit happens. This is a horrible adverse reaction but outliers that have terrible reaction exist with every substance.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
“since no one can provide an example to me in person, on command, it must not be possible for anyone” take me as your first anecdotal example of someone whose life has been significantly and measurably improved since taking psychedelics. there goes your entire argument.
I would love to hear more about your experience and how it measurably improved your life. My point though is not that it is impossible for people to see real benefits. My point is that the vast majority of people that have tried it don’t seem any better off than before.
Are the people taking it actually going into it with any intention or work done before? Or they were just taking it for a fun or interesting time?
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Count me in the camp of people experiencing this, I associate it with childhood fever dreams. And much later, I encountered the exact same feeling through psychedelic experimenting. Never knew it was such a common experience either, and as you say it's very reassuring.
Also count me in. Excited to see others with the same experience. I got to the point of rationalizing this as actually being some kind of memory of being born / memory of that trauma. The lack of all proportion to the sensation, along with the incredible stakes, feeling of pressure (literal and figurative) etc…
I’m incredibly skeptical of psychology nutty stuff like this but I’ll add that my brain immediately considered some sort of common trauma like being born.
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#265Guy takes a mystery drug at a high first time dose without tapering up. Did he Ehrlich reagent test it first? Likely not, because it sounds like he took 25I-NBOMe. Monumentally stupid. Then writes a hit piece blog about it and blames Steve Jobs and anyone else but himself? Next time, don't pop mystery blotters or there may not be a next time. N-Bomb is sold constantly as fake LSD, and truthfully there is very little pure LSD being synthed. Monumentally stupid, you could have ended up taking something like N-2C-Fentanyl.
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bleach will kill you, too. But unlike bleach, Tylenol is carefully regulated as a medication; in particular, it's packaged at precise dosages, with high quality control standards.
Are you saying bleach is not carefully regulated? My point was that we are commonly using medication that can have devastating effects - and the precise dosages do not account for the imprecise body weight and sensitivity to the substance of the person taking it.
Bleach is not regulated the way Tylenol is, no.
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#267I have had really, really bad trips on weed and alcohol. No way in hell I am trying anything else. It makes me really uneasy to hear normies going on about trying this and that. They all have some vague yet beneficial reasoning for why they did or might try shrooms or LSD. I always ask them, tell me of somebody that significantly and measurably improved their life after getting involved with psychedelics. Nobody ever…
I'm in my 30s and have eaten many pounds of psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. Over the course of numerous years and not every weekend or all that frequently and it's been many years since I've eaten them by this point. I've also infrequently and over years had pure LSD direct from the chemist. I've never experienced any problems, I've never been unemployed, married 14 years with children in my only marriage, and maintain a 6 figure salary. I won't go on about spiritual life changes and other nonsense but there are plenty of highly functioning folks out there who can responsibly use psychedelics from time to time and continually improve their lives.
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#268I’m not a doctor but the tinnitus combined with the visual “snow” long after the drug had been metabolized sounds kinda like a minor or “lucky” (by that I mean not significantly debilitating) stroke.
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#269Fairly interesting post, especially for those who weren't aware that hallucinogens sometimes cause minor hallucinations indefinitely, but arguments like the conclusions section are why we need to, as a society, beat "the plural of anecdote is not data" into every single person's head. Some people have a negative reaction to LSD. Some people don't. Some people have a positive reaction to LSD. Some don't. What's missin…
> hallucinogens sometimes cause minor hallucinations indefinitely The author definitely did not think those were minor side-effects. > What's missing, crucially, is the only useful information- how many of each there are. There is nothing else that is relevant! the evidence that a bad trip can potentially cause permanent damage is useful and relevant. > If "some guy had a bad time" was a robust argument for "never ev…
> the evidence that a bad trip can potentially cause permanent damage is useful and relevant.
I would argue that this is not true in isolation! I guess it's not technically wrong, in that a new article is not 0 information, but without an attached probability there isn't much to learn. Frankly, some of the symptoms the author experienced are typical of HPPD, and some are not. Correlation isn't causation, and one datapoint absolutely does not show so much as correlation.
You almost certainly partake in activities with a chance to go far more wrong every day! In fact, if the mere possibility of something going wrong is enough to dissuade you, then you shouldn't have needed the article in the first place- there's always a chance things could go horribly wrong!
To be clear, I'm not saying LSD has no risks. The author got very unlucky, but not as unlucky as others who have been documented in the literature. My pitch is not even that those risks are mostly worth it- for many they probably aren't. What I'm saying is that the author's experience is every bit as useless as the people who constantly hype LSD up. The conclusion is "Fuck you, Jobs"- can you say with a straight face that the author wouldn't have concluded the same way even if no one else in the world had ever had a bad experience on LSD?
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#270I had the same experience with tinnitus and visual snow, and unfortunately, they are still present. While I had one bad trip, I was okay after that one. However, after waking up from another trip, I simply wasn't the same. The depersonalization was the worst part - it left me in an awful state of mind. It's been so long now that I'm not even sure if it's still there or if it's become the new normal. In fact, I couldn…
LSD is not used in therapy for patients who have a family history (or individual history) of schizophrenia, bipolar, or schizoaffective disorders.
I don't have a family with history in that either.