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Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by micromacrofoot »

This is incredibly dependent on your working relationship with your employer, and even if you think you know... sometimes they'll surprise you.

If you work at a very large company (hundreds of employees) do not do this. Even with a good working relationship terminating a quitter on the spot can often be security policy. I've quit a job and wasn't even allowed to touch my computer, just walked right out the door (before you give notice, back up your personal files and build your portfolio if they're on there).

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by notch898c »

adastra22 wrote: post #252
notch898c wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I sent you a link about a person's funeral to show a person had been born, would you not accept that either? The article is about the funeral of the order.

The workers were not held in contempt though.

What do you think happens if you violate a court order? That's the threat behind violating the order of a judge. That it didn't happen doesn't mean my statement was incorrect. If they had actually left in contempt of the order, I would have said it did happen rather than it can happen.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by [deleted] »

thunfischbrot wrote: post #244
eckesicle wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it’s not valid in Sweden (or anywhere else). The date at which your resignation starts to count is the date that your employer learns of your intent to leave. You are however free to agree on an arbitrary date with them as your last day. It’s not the date you put in the letterhead. That would be insane.

I think that's not what was meant. You _can_ hand in your notice earlier than contractually necessary. If your notice period was 2 months, and you let your employer know, that you are quitting in 3 months, that's perfectly legal. Its not changing the date of the document, it's about the date of your intended departure you mention within it.

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Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by zdragnar »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #186
zdragnar wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never given less than a month's notice, and the notice has always been tied to the end date of whatever project or current workload I happen to have. My direct bosses have always expressed appreciation for this, but then again, I've only ever left a company once because I was dissatisfied working there. Culture and relationships are a two way street, and you are always responsible for your own part in building i…

Question: Are you in Europe? I get the feeling this sort of thing is much more common there (or at least "not the US")

Nope, midwest US. Two weeks notice is social etiquette as a minimum to avoid burning a bridge, so to speak. There's nothing against giving further notice.

Thinking back on it, though, I would absolutely not give further notice if I was only doing "busy" work (as someone suggested elsewhere). I try to maintain a good relationship with my employers as a professional courtesy. Putting out notice beyond what active work I have would, I think, send a signal that I'm looking to collect an easy pay check and disconnect. Lining up my resignation with my active work sends a message that I am still invested in contributing to my team's success, and that's a good way to have people be more than happy to give you referrals or networking opportunities in the future.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by icey »

As an employer, the flipside of this is that there needs to be some value in having someone there that you know is leaving. If someone has been halfway checked out because they've been interviewing elsewhere, it might not be worth keeping them around for six weeks. They can't start any long-running work, or anything with any dependencies, and many people's work quality drops significantly after putting in their notice.

It's a nice idea, for sure; but most jobs can be transitioned in 2 weeks. Anything longer than that and all sense of urgency is lost ("We can transition that in a month", etc).

I've quit both ways -- with a long notice period and a short one, and short notice periods are the only times that there's been an actual transition plan.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by simonjgreen »

lannisterstark wrote: post #227
fredrikholm wrote: post #189

Reading the comments in this thread really feeds into my bias that worker rights in the US are ... n't? I vividly remember a job posting from last year that listed '15 allowed sick days' as a benefit. What does that even mean? In Scandinavia, you set a mutual duration of notice for both parties when signing the initial contracts to start working. For IT jobs, the standard is 2-3 months. This gives both parties ample…

>you set a mutual duration of notice for both parties when signing the initial contracts to start working. For IT jobs, the standard is 2-3 months. This gives both parties ample time to adapt. That sounds like a nightmare to me. Sometimes I want to quit immediately. I should be able to rather than stay in a miserable job for 2-3 months.

You can, you just sacrifice the salary you'd otherwise of received

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by bolanyo »

henry2023 wrote: post #121
bolanyo wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens in Europe if you're supposed to work out 3 months notice and you stop showing up: - you stop getting paid. - you probably will have a hard time dealing with your former employers if you need something from them. - they think you're a dick, and tell other people, if asked, what an asshole you are. - potentially if they have nothing better to do, they get a lawyer to write you a threatening letter, then do…

"and tell other people" Nobody cares enough to go tell other people. Just try to picture the super awkward conversation between executives about and IC who resigned and then did noting during the notice period. In fact, they'd probably do the same.

"if asked"

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by jethro_tell »

snarf21 wrote: post #197
saulpw wrote: post #7

I've generally given a lot of notice as an IC, 2-3 months in some cases. and I have to say, I think it's not been appreciated, not even once. I've tried to spend the time wrapping things up, communicating my tacit knowledge to my coworkers, and writing documentation for things that I've done and created and am responsible for; I'm fairly certain that no one has given my opinions and thoughts any more than a cursory a…

Totally agree. Two weeks for knowledge transfer should be it. Remember that most leadership view all engineers as replaceable cogs. Just wrap up what you can and loop others into the things that can't and move on with life. Big companies probably don't want you around from a liability. Small companies want the knowledge transfer because you have "blind-sided" them. (Despite asking for a raise for the last two years a…

I gave 6 weeks on my last one to a fanng, Never again. That was when the project I was working on was slated to finish, and I continued working on it until then. I but it was a bit unexpected for me and I had a 4 day weekend scheduled to take my kids on a school trip.

Came back on Monday, incompetent fuckers had locked me out and terminated me as a no call no show. lol, uh, it's in the fucking time off tool you fucks. The thing that really sucked was that I was a high preforming employee, I canceled a promotion review to give notice. 7 years in and some jerkoff needs your seat and 6 weeks isn't appreciated. The got me reconnected after a couple days and then my manager never talked to me again. that was a long three weeks there at the end.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Post by itronitron »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #23
saulpw wrote: post #7

I've generally given a lot of notice as an IC, 2-3 months in some cases. and I have to say, I think it's not been appreciated, not even once. I've tried to spend the time wrapping things up, communicating my tacit knowledge to my coworkers, and writing documentation for things that I've done and created and am responsible for; I'm fairly certain that no one has given my opinions and thoughts any more than a cursory a…

I completely agree. The part about infecting people with my attitude is especially relevant. It's normal that we talk. And when they ask "why?", it feels awkward. If I tell them all the reasons, it will influence their perception of their situation (which might be quite positive) and I prefer not to do that. But if I avoid answering, I will be perceived as dishonest or hiding something. So usually I invent some excus…

I once shared an office with someone in order to take on their work because they were retiring early. I got/had to hear about all of their gripes with our employer and within six months I was in complete agreement with them :)
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