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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
My wife asked me "how do we know the killer was a homeless guy?". I could only reply - "good point". I think a part of it is people are fed up with how the city has deteriorated and no amount of gaslighting will change that fact. So, when he was killed it seemed like just another thing in the decline of the city.
I thought the reason was that someone had looked at CCTV footage of the event, and saw someone who looked homeless. Of course, most of us software engineers proudly go for the "clean homeless" look.
someone saw video?
These are the folks that think a chatbot can replace a journalist.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's great; in general, people should be, and I'm not looking down on them for doing so. However, property crime is absolutely irrelevant when presented with the news of someone's murder, yet so many people here are quick to conflate them as somehow equivalent vis a vis personal safety, etc. (Sidenote: I personally don't understand anyone thinking that property crime is "scary". Your car is not your kid. Your walle…
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Your "legitimate question" is insulting to me and to those who actually are autistic. Everyone on HN is so nice.
No, I don't think being pickpocketed (or having my car stolen or whatever) is "equally as scary" as if my daughter were assaulted or kidnapped. I'd be ashamed to think they're equivalent, lest my daughter believe I view her as valuable as a hunk of steel or a wad of cash.
> Property crimes lead to a generally dangerous living area and people don't like to live in dangerous areas because it necessarily leads to more violent crime.
This is deeply incorrect. As has been repeated and cited over and over, violent crime in e.g. SF is not particularly high (lower than most other US cities), while its property crime rate is outrageously high.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with saying that SF has relatively low violent crime is that it ignores the constant, extremely aggressive verbal assault that people are just accustomed to. In the years I lived there, I had people scream at me that they were going to kill/stab/etc. me at least a couple of dozen times (I would describe this as violent crime). Of course, if you call SFPD, they'll just tell you it's not an issue and ignore…
You're right, "violent crime" is a term of art that involves the commission of a…crime. "Verbal assault" is not assault. I guess if you don't like the vibes in a place, you can go somewhere else, but trying to use such things to influence how people talk about or perceive actual , no, for real crime is intellectual malpractice.
You're wrong. Verbal assault is assault, and is violence, because it leads to the reasonable expectation of violence. You don't know if the crazy person threatening to kill you will actually try to do it so you have to imagine that they will.
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Sorry Dang, you're right.
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#265It sounds like this information wasn't released publicly by the local authorities. The article has a link to a LinkedIn profile. The writer indicates that the name and city of the LI profile matches the information on the person they were "told" was arrested this morning. Even the name of the company of the person indicated is explicitly referenced in the article. My professional world doesn't allow for ambiguity. As…
Here is another report:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/articleComments/bob-lee-san-f...
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#266The SF-is-a-hellhole narrative is compelling, but the report that Lee was not the victim of a random crime shouldn't have been surprising. The FBI says 40+% of murders are committed by a family member or acquaintance, and 10% by total strangers: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
fwiw, there are two SF-is-a-hellhole narratives, and this turn of events reflects differently through the prism of each:
- narrative A (looking "up"): where the upper-class technologists are the reason for the social precarity-based hellscape experienced by the lower-class residents
- narrative B (looking "down"): where the crime of the lower-class is the cause of the fearful crime-based hellscape experienced by the upper-class technologists
The reality is probably a little bit of both. But in typing this, I'm realizing that I should probably try to avoid sensationalizing the topic with references to "hell" (though I realize you were using that phrase to dismantle the sensationalism, not escalate it)
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#267Watch how fast this falls out of the news cycle because it doesn’t align with America’s view of San Francisco. So far I’ve heard it was: a homeless person, a junkie, mentally ill, violent criminal common to San Francisco. Part of me felt this was personal. A stabbing you have to get fairly close. Bob Lee could know his killer. And I don’t know him well enough to know who he hung out with.
Statistically, it was always more likely someone he knew.
There were 40k suicides in the USA in 2020, and about 20k murders. So statistically, if you die by violence, you killed yourself.
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#268Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.
They really do some amazing reporting. Based on the fact that this is the first article I'm seeing on this topic, it seems that Mission Local may have got the scoop [1] on the Chronicle and other big newspapers on this high-profile topic. That is a big deal for journalists (if I recall correctly) because it means you're doing better original reporting and you're more connected to the neighborhood. [1] https://grammar…
This is great writing, "the abrupt closure of the mid-market Whole Foods, leaving San Franciscans just eight other Whole Foods within city limits". What a scoop, brilliantly delivered.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shithole city is a bit extreme, don’t you think? I’d reserve that for very, very different places in the world.
It’s not extreme when you compare it to most other Western cities. If you want to get into undeveloped nations and dilapidated ghost cities, you’re just entering a different arena. The endless tent encampments, open drug use, human feces on the street, glass/needles/trash everywhere, and rampant vehicle theft make the place unbearable. It is a shithole.
Western cities like Portland, LA, Eugene, or Seattle? Or is that just west coast and you also mean to include Baltimore, Detroit or St Louis? Many of those are worst. Or I could go to Miami or Austin where their states are trying to legislate me out of existence.
I don’t disagree things have gotten worse, but a wide variety of factors are contributing to this beyond politics. They’re also mainly occur in certain areas - I don’t come across all the things very often living in SF because I’m not in SoMA/civic center/mission where it’s all the most acute.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's great; in general, people should be, and I'm not looking down on them for doing so. However, property crime is absolutely irrelevant when presented with the news of someone's murder, yet so many people here are quick to conflate them as somehow equivalent vis a vis personal safety, etc. (Sidenote: I personally don't understand anyone thinking that property crime is "scary". Your car is not your kid. Your walle…
A burglary is much scarier than someone stealing shit from your car, because someone invaded your living space in the latter. It's a much more serious invasion of your privacy than a broken window smash and grab. The point I made in the sibling point stands, though. At 55th in the nation, SF does not have a high burglary rate. It has a high larceny (stealing from stores, cars, etc) rate.
I'm not comparing e.g. burglaries to car thefts, but the category of property crimes to the category of violent crimes. The former range from unfortunate nuisances to unpleasant material losses (depending on how well you've scoped your insurances); the latter can be life-shattering tragedies.