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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#261
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” - Stephen Jay Gould

We could work on our collective waste of human cognition and talent rather than blaming it on GPT-4

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. No offense but who wants to spend most of their time on leisure acti…

> I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects.

I would count that as leisure, why wouldn't that count?

Leisure isn't laying on a couch eating grapes; leisure is the freedom of deciding what to do with your time,.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. No offense but who wants to spend most of their time on leisure acti…

In this context, "leisure" is used to mean the stuff you do outside of work and chores essentially. If you want to work on a side project, that would fall under leisure time.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#264

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

>that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives.

More capacity doesn't mean more ideas and even if you just made it easier for copy cats and every product will face more competition.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. No offense but who wants to spend most of their time on leisure acti…

>I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects.

That's called leisure, being able to direct your actions without worry about them paying the bills, leisure.

Of course you could choose to vegetate in front of a screen, but you're also free to walk the hills, create art, create machines, write software or poetry, or whatever.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#266

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

Is there data to back this claim? Otherwise, this looks a lot like classic "protestant work ethic" (e.g., Max Weber) repackaged.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#267

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> 2) Chaudry ignores that you need a human in the loop to check an AI's work.

Also ignores companies not wanting to pay employees. These AI verifiers will be low paid people, akin to the off-shored social media content checkers who have to sift through digital garbage.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#268

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> 2) Chaudry ignores that you need a human in the loop to check an AI's work. You don't know that an AI's answer is always right. Even if it's perfect in 99% of cases, the answer could be jaw-droppingly destructive in that 1% of cases and make errors that even the dumbest human wouldn't make. Being grossly wrong even a small percentage of the time is far worse than a human making minor errors sometimes, and being slow all of the time.

I very much doubt this will be the case and if it were, it's unlikely to be effective. We know people that have to check something that's right 99% of the time but wrong 1% zone out and overlook issues. It's a big part of why self-driving cars can't be a 99% affair and why people die when self-driving cars make bad decisions even though a driver is behind the wheel.

I think where profit can be extracted, companies will rely on good ol' lock-in or hope the cost of changing is too high to warrant a mass exodus from their platform. Everyone has a super computer in their pocket, but instead of improving typing we started adding "Sent from iPhone" as a way to excuse us from having to proofread anything. I can't count how many times I've gotten mass emails with template variables that weren't interpolated. Or emails that reference discussions that never happened. Ostensibly, a human was there to review all of this, but shirked that responsibility because ultimately they can let it waste someone else's time. I see AI turbo-charging that.

I think we're being disingenuous with all of these automated tools and thinking an attentive, caring human will check all that work. It'll be more profitable, whether in terms of a company's capital or an individual's time, to clean our hands and go "whelp, that's AI for ya" when things go wrong.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

How much do you think you would have had to pay for an iPhone 200 years ago? Are you sure society hasn't benefitted from productivity increases?

And the cost of making China powerful, how this turns out has yet to come

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. No offense but who wants to spend most of their time on leisure acti…

> I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects.

So … you would spend all your time on your chosen leisure activities—your passion projects. That is the point.

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