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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by braunboffel »

theodorejb wrote: post #22
braunboffel wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The race of Workman seems to bear no relation to the story itself, so why the callout? I didn't understand 'callout'. "a statement drawing critical attention to someone's unacceptable actions or behaviour." You feel stating the race of the VP was a statement drawing critical attention to someone's unacceptable actions or behaviour?

call out: 1. To specify, especially in detail. 2. To order into service; to summon into service. 3. To yell out; to vocalize audibly; announce.

I noticed I got downvoted for trying to understand what someone was saying. Your answer helped a bit but I still don't really understand what OP was trying to say. In any case, it says a lot about communication on HN. I'd also like to know what people who downvoted were unhappy about my question.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by throwmeaway1212 »

polski-g wrote: post #229
throwmeaway1212 wrote: post #98

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Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

Well then the individuals who did the "bad things" should be punished, not Tesla.

Companies have a responsibility to make sure harassment doesn't take place.

'Failing to provide a work environment free of racial harassment is a form of discrimination' see https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/section-15-race-and-color...

Similar to unsafe work places, such as if an accident occurs at work then the business can be held responsible for not caring about safety.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by misslibby »

shadowgovt wrote: post #246
misslibby wrote: post #245

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> Freedom only for the owners of companies? Everybody can start a company - or should be allowed to, that is the point. Socialist rules making it difficult prevent people from becoming independent. > Or do you also respect the freedom of employees to engage in collective bargaining, the freedom of employees to negotiate a closed shop with the company, the freedom to engage in solidarity and political strikes, the fre…

This is a country of over three hundred million people. Independence past a certain degree is intractable. I recommend if you don't like the rules and are too lazy (as you've self-described) to do the hard work to change them, you should consider changing countries. After all, your remedy for employees who don't like working for employers who break the Equal Employment Act is they should change companies. If that sol…

I don't live in the US.

What socialist like you keep forgetting is that somebody has to provide the jobs that you claim the rights to. If nobody provides the jobs, you can make laws all you want, people still won't have jobs.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by misslibby »

shadowgovt wrote: post #250
misslibby wrote: post #241

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Lawsuits don't prove he lied.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/22/23474381/elon-musk-twitt... https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1596118994565894145?lan... https://seekingalpha.com/article/4020362-who-you-gonna-belie... You can keep defending him if you want, but the preponderance of evidence is not on his side. On average, I would no longer consider Elon Musk a reliable source.

You are incredible.

1.) he doesn't have to justify reinstating Trump at all. People who banned a sitting president have to justify their actions 2.) Seriously, what the fuck - you want to hold his dying child against him? This is ridiculous nitpicking, you can say "it died in his arms" even if he wasn't holding his child all the time. You should take a long hard look into the mirror and ponder what your irrational hatred does to your personality. 3.) A couple of cars with a tiny discount proves what? A list of 30 cars, with a generously calculated average discount of 3%, out of probably thousands sold?

Keep hating, though. Your hatred is irrelevant.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by throw0101a »

onethought wrote: post #260
throw0101a wrote: post #217

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> According to Dr. Fredericka Brown and Dr. Kenneth Diller, mechanical engineering professors at The University of Texas at Tyler, the optimal temperature range for serving hot beverages is between 125°F and 136°F. Their research shows that although there are varying preferences regarding the optimal temperature for beverage consumption, drinking a hot beverage outside of this range can negatively impact taste and ca…

So are you saying no one boils water to make coffee?

Strictly speaking, one shouldn't boil (100°C) water to make coffee†. The SCA recommends a water temperatures of 200°F ± 5° (93.0°C ± 3°):

* https://sca.coffee/research/protocols-best-practices

Of course the temperature you make coffee at, and the temperature you serve coffee at, and the temperature you drink coffee at, may not all be the same.

One should also keep in mind the serving container: some retain heat more than others, and so the temperature drop gradient may be different and should probably be considered as well.

† Making (black) tea is something else.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by shadowgovt »

misslibby wrote: post #263
shadowgovt wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a country of over three hundred million people. Independence past a certain degree is intractable. I recommend if you don't like the rules and are too lazy (as you've self-described) to do the hard work to change them, you should consider changing countries. After all, your remedy for employees who don't like working for employers who break the Equal Employment Act is they should change companies. If that sol…

I don't live in the US. What socialist like you keep forgetting is that somebody has to provide the jobs that you claim the rights to. If nobody provides the jobs, you can make laws all you want, people still won't have jobs.

We've been running that experiment for upwards of a century.

It turns out there are a couple motivating factors for why people form companies, including:

1. There's something they want to do and they need a lot of people to do it

2. They want to make a lot of money

3. They want to set their own work conditions

Socialist policies don't really impact motivation 1 (in fact, they can enhance it; one way American firms are hamstrung relative to their international peers is they have to pay directly for healthcare for their employees, whereas other countries treat that as a national-level responsibility that doesn't come asymmetrically out of various firms' pocketbooks). And motivation 2 is still satisfied if they're making $10 million instead of $10 billion, so long as $10 million is the number you're making when you're "winning the game." Motivation 3 is still very much a liberty that every company owner has, with only a few curtailments (not really any more than the notion that my driver's license gives me liberty to drive on public roads, even though I'm not allowed to drive on the left side of a divided road directly into oncoming traffic).

People have been predicting "socialism will kill the desire to make work for people" for decades as myriad nations have developed stronger government support for citizens' needs, and it hasn't happened. Sooner or later, one has to accept the evidence is against the "socialism kills jobs" hypothesis.

The US has more socialist policies in place right now than ever before, and unemployment is under 4%.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by shadowgovt »

misslibby wrote: post #264
shadowgovt wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/22/23474381/elon-musk-twitt... https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1596118994565894145?lan... https://seekingalpha.com/article/4020362-who-you-gonna-belie... You can keep defending him if you want, but the preponderance of evidence is not on his side. On average, I would no longer consider Elon Musk a reliable source.

You are incredible. 1.) he doesn't have to justify reinstating Trump at all. People who banned a sitting president have to justify their actions 2.) Seriously, what the fuck - you want to hold his dying child against him? This is ridiculous nitpicking, you can say "it died in his arms" even if he wasn't holding his child all the time. You should take a long hard look into the mirror and ponder what your irrational ha…

I don't hate Musk. By-and-large, he earned his way into the money he's made.

... but some of that earning was done via deception. Look at the history of billionaire CEOs, and you quickly learn that bending or breaking with the truth is pretty much mandatory at some point in their careers to win the game. They are salespeople for the firms they helm, and a certain amount of sales is based on deception (information asymmetry is the beating heart of the engine of profit).

If anything, one can tip one's hat to him for winning the game he's playing so well. The game itself may be of questionable virtue, but he's an excellent player of it.

(Possibly except for this Twitter acquisition. That was a weird move. I don't think it's working out the way he'd hoped).

The only lie he tells consistently that I hold against him is Tesla's FSD. Even the name is incorrect in terms of what the technology is capable of, and it's a lie that gets naive people killed when they believe the marketing hype and turn over full control of their vehicle to a technology that is not yet reliable.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by viridian »

onethought wrote: post #260
throw0101a wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> According to Dr. Fredericka Brown and Dr. Kenneth Diller, mechanical engineering professors at The University of Texas at Tyler, the optimal temperature range for serving hot beverages is between 125°F and 136°F. Their research shows that although there are varying preferences regarding the optimal temperature for beverage consumption, drinking a hot beverage outside of this range can negatively impact taste and ca…

So are you saying no one boils water to make coffee?

You shouldn't use boiling water to make coffee unless you want it to be bitter.

General rule is you want 195-205F water, so you boil, wait 30 seconds, bloom the coffee, wait another 30 seconds, make the coffee.

Finished coffee is around around 185-188F when I use a french press or pourover, I assume the air, container, and the grounds all absorb some of the heat. After about 5 minutes its a very drinkable ~160.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by onethought »

viridian wrote: post #268
onethought wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are you saying no one boils water to make coffee?

You shouldn't use boiling water to make coffee unless you want it to be bitter. General rule is you want 195-205F water, so you boil, wait 30 seconds, bloom the coffee, wait another 30 seconds, make the coffee. Finished coffee is around around 185-188F when I use a french press or pourover, I assume the air, container, and the grounds all absorb some of the heat. After about 5 minutes its a very drinkable ~160.

Weird how every espresso machine in existence has a boiler in it huh. Someone should tell the manufacturers they are doing it wrong.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by ovao »

braunboffel wrote: post #261
theodorejb wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

call out: 1. To specify, especially in detail. 2. To order into service; to summon into service. 3. To yell out; to vocalize audibly; announce.

I noticed I got downvoted for trying to understand what someone was saying. Your answer helped a bit but I still don't really understand what OP was trying to say. In any case, it says a lot about communication on HN. I'd also like to know what people who downvoted were unhappy about my question.

The use of “callout” in this case is best summarized by the first definition.

Said another way, I don’t understand why it’s worth specifying the race of Workman, since it seems to bear no relation to the story.

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