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Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

kkielhofner wrote: post #193
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #189

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That’s not a patent. That’s a published version of a patent application . The patent has actually been granted thought. It’s here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US9131302B2/

It was the first result when I put together the right search terms to find it and shows granted. Good enough for me. If you can find any differences in the claims or figures I'd be interested.

I’m not gonna go through and compare the wording, but the difference is that one set is enforceable and the other isn’t.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by marcellus23 »

brundolf wrote: post #230
marcellus23 wrote: post #229

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iOS has blurs almost everywhere, not just control center.

There are others, that was just one example that came to mind

Right, I guess my point is, they probably use that algorithm wherever there's a blur. Not just in one specific place.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by ValentineC »

pjc50 wrote: post #157
mrtksn wrote: post #94

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They were paying for the costs? Then they were the VC. Some of them actually grew to be huge and wealthy.

me paying $5 to wordpress: i'm a venture capitalist now mom (seriously, this is a very silly way of using terms to cover extremely small amounts of capital)

Did you mean paying for PHP site hosting instead, or paying to remove ads on the WordPress.com SaaS?

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by solarkraft »

mrtksn wrote: post #73
jacksgt wrote: post #61

Off topic: it's such a breath of fresh air to read this content without 1) having to close half a dozen popups and 2) all in a single post and not painfully spread out across multiple messages.

Doesn't do targeted ads, so doesn't have to have an EU cookie popup. Doesn't have an app, so doesn't have to try to make you install the app. Doesn't do registered users growth hacking, doesn't have to have sign-up dialog. The problem is, if and when they decide to monetise this thing they will have to have all of these because the money people and the analytics will tell them they have to. Everything is much more fu…

> Doesn't have an app, so doesn't have to try to make you install the app.

Well, it does, but does nothing user hostile with it, so doesn't gain anything from coercing them to install it.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by ValentineC »

eastbound wrote: post #65
esperent wrote: post #40

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Before anyone jumps in to say the issue is grounding and that it's your fault for having bad wiring: ground wires are not installed by default in all countries. If you live in one of these countries, in rented accomodation, there's not much you can do about this. And yet, most electronics are fine. It seems like MacBooks are some of the worst though, giving you shocks and crackling audio.

No grounding on Mac adapters by default, they’re only 2-pin. The 3-pin is available separately.

Looking at the Apple World Travel Adapter Kit, I'm guessing the only places where the Mac adapters do come grounded by default are countries that use the UK plug (BS 1363) [1], at least for plugs shipped after 2010 [2]:

https://www.apple.com/us/shop/product/MD837AM/A/apple-world-...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_Br...

[2] https://support.apple.com/three-prong-ac-wall-plug-adapter

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by marcellus23 »

thefz wrote: post #9

IDK, it pales in comparison to any decent monitor speaker. Even the cheapest. Laptops unfortunately always sounds "from inside a cardboard box".

Well, yeah, and a bicycle goes slower than a sedan and you have to pedal it constantly to keep it going.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by dsr_ »

toastal wrote: post #221
lukas099 wrote: post #211

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They probably mean 'neighbors' as in people nearby in the same room. This is indeed a good use case for headphones/IEMs.

Both. A lot of folks live in apartments, condos, dorms where the walls aren't good at sound insulation. Putting in your IEMs gives you better sound and isnot going to disturb anyone.

I live in a house with many rooms, and other people I am related to. If I want to listen to music or have a conversation, my selection of audio device is dependent on the time of my day and my consideration for other people, as well as the desired quality level.

I have a proper home theater system, but I wouldn't use it while my wife is taking a nap. I have a nice stereo setup in the living room, but I wouldn't use that while people are talking in the kitchen unless I just wanted some background music.

And I have both IEMs and over-the-ear headphones because wearing either for too long can make my ears unhappy, but in different ways.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by astrange »

kkielhofner wrote: post #166
zamadatix wrote: post #150

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The "bunch of stuff" is precisely the part where estimation comes in. There is no direct temperature sensor to measure from, the only thing available is the voltage levels on the speaker. As the patent says it's a 2 level estimate: estimate of impedance from voltages -> estimate of temperature from modelling the speaker's physical parametrs as a function of the driving signal and impedance estimate. With patents it's…

Appreciate the clarification - like I said this is well outside my area of expertise and my eyes glazed over pretty quickly in reading but at this point we're borderline in semantics. Exactly. In this case it's a "process". Generally speaking my take is there's almost never entirely new process (or design or anything else) in any "invention" - humans have been at this for hundreds of years and there's almost nothing…

It's well outside your area of expertise which is why you started with a "well actually" post claiming the article is obviously false?

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by astrange »

eropple wrote: post #147
JohnBooty wrote: post #116

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Also, one of the hilarious things about this hobby & engineering science is that 98% of that insane hardware & software engineering work is only necessary because we're trying to cheat the laws of physics in order to deliver decent sound from tinier and tinier speakers. If you're willing to go in the other direction, and tolerate bigger speakers, you can have very very enjoyable sound from the sorts of dumb big-box s…

I've got room for the big boxes. Does anyone sell reasonably affordable ones these days?

Speakers don't change; if you find old ones they work the same way, though they might've broken or rotted by now.

KEF Q150 is a good home size speaker. Don't touch their higher end products, Britain is the home of horribly expensive audiophile snake oil.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by astrange »

avalys wrote: post #209
hgsgm wrote: post #122

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Until you plug in an external monitor and the MacBook Pro overheats and fans up so you have to close the lid which muffles the mic.

This hasn’t happened since Apple ditched x86 processors.

It's because of the AMD GPU in this case presumably, if external displays trigger it.
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