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So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by ufmace »

modestmc wrote: post #123
ufmace wrote: post #112

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Oooh thanks, I had been looking to find that article again for a while and couldn't track it down for anything. In a completely unrelated matter, Google search results quality has really declined in the last few years...

I know far too well how you feel, happy you found what you’ve been missing. Out of curiosity, what did you remember about the link that you tried searching for? Do you remember when you last saw it? [insert semicoherent hopium about ChatGPT as a magical panacea here]

I remembered it as an article where a guy semi-jokingly claimed to have hacked most of the web through a supply-chain exploit and listed off a ton of clever things he did to evade all of the immediately obvious ways to notice that such a thing was happening. Pretty sure I saw it here on HN originally, but I couldn't come up with any search terms to find it in Google, Bing, DDG, HN Angolia search, etc.

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Post by EugeneOZ »

webknjaz wrote: post #257
EugeneOZ wrote: post #251

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Ok, thanks for this info - it is unacceptable and below the lowest level from his side. For this I despise him. Still, all the hatred and memes appeared _before_ the war, so it is an example for other OSS developers of what they will get for their hard work. Again, I didn't mean that people hate him only because he is Russian. I meant that weak people will use every excuse they can find to blame him. Nationality, fel…

Before, as in 2012, right?

Before February 2022. I understand you want to "unwind" this topic now, but it will not work.

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Post by yawboakye »

schwartzworld wrote: post #232
yawboakye wrote: post #146

the problem, in my opinion, introduced by the so-called full-time open source developers (making money via contributions) is the distortion in how free & open source software should be organized. no one should have a full-time job maintaining an open source software, on their own. they should be doing in through a user-company. see the ruby and rails core team/structure for example. they all work full-time at compani…

What open source needs is to be completely owned by private companies?

i'm not sure i understand what you mean. how's rails 'completely owned by private companies' for example? i'm not sure you wish to imply that private companies hiring and paying people to work full-time on open source equates to 'owning' such software. there's open source software started by and owned by private companies (the go programming language, apple's swift, meta's react, among other). regardless, they have big adopters. even so, i won't put rails or python or postgresql or rust in the same category.

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Post by karlshea »

jabl wrote: post #156
karlshea wrote: post #142

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Yeah, maybe. Or maybe the current subject matter expert that’s been pouring thousands of hours into this project should be funded by the billion dollar companies that rely on him, same as what’s happened to the projects at the top of the ecosystem.

> Or maybe the current subject matter expert that’s been pouring thousands of hours into this project should be funded by the billion dollar companies that rely on him Ideally yes, but as we've seen time after time, charity as a business model doesn't work with corporations. I think the coreJS maintainer would be fully justified to take another job, and then work on coreJS as a hobby as much or as little as he likes.…

Yeah I don’t think we disagree. I think he should abandon the project, and should have a long time ago.

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Post by sangnoir »

thinkindie wrote: post #234
ebjaas_2022 wrote: post #136

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It's the nature of most types of volunteering work. If you sign up to be the conductor of your local choir, you have the same thing. People start expecting you to do stuff. If you're going to be in that role, as ploxiln says, you need to be OK with that part of it. You have to be OK with the thanklessness of the task, and you have to seek your rewards elsewhere. Still, I feel very sorry for zloirock, and I hope that…

you can't really compare volunteering at a local choir / local homeless canteen to big corporations taking advantage of open source projects (which is perfectly legit) and never ever feel like they should contribute more to make open source financially sustainable. There is a reason why major open source projects are backed by companies selling products or services based on the open source project itself.

If you don't want big corporations using your software, change the license. They are not "taking advantage" of Free/open software, they are using it, and don't owe the maintainer for it. It feels very entitled to me (a Free software enthusiast who wishes more authors chose GPL over BSD/MIT). As G.W. Bush said "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... I can't get fooled again"

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Post by throwaway290 »

newswasboring wrote: post #227
throwaway290 wrote: post #211

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The best way to do open source work is to consult or be employed and release open source stuff as part of your work. Otherwise it turns into politics, competition for money and popularity contest rather than product of passion. If you are as proficient as this guy you will find employers that do not mind open source work

... This guy wasn't able to find an employer like that, no?

Did he look though? Maybe he is not aware this is a possibility. Even if he cannot leave Russia there are likely russian companies that would pay him and be even happy if he contributes to OSS. I know Qiwi, Yandex publish and maintain packages

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Post by agumonkey »

ebjaas_2022 wrote: post #136
EdwardDiego wrote: post #128

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> But no one owes him anything. I strongly disagree. Only because so many people feel that he owes them something.

It's the nature of most types of volunteering work. If you sign up to be the conductor of your local choir, you have the same thing. People start expecting you to do stuff. If you're going to be in that role, as ploxiln says, you need to be OK with that part of it. You have to be OK with the thanklessness of the task, and you have to seek your rewards elsewhere. Still, I feel very sorry for zloirock, and I hope that…

i wonder is this is not the basis of the wage difference between bosses / leaders and employee / followers

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Post by pxc »

slowmotiony wrote: post #167
armini wrote: post #121

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Maintainers like Denis shouldn't be asking for donations, they should be sponsored the same way Nike sponsors athletes. If you're a burnt out open source maintainer or know someone who is, I'd love to talk to you. My job is to help create awareness about the issue with companies that depend on your package. I reached out to Denis because we all know he deserves better. Appreciate any leads you could additionally shar…

I don't know, I don't think Nike will sponsor athletes who, despite the war, returned to Russia solely due to better financial prospects.

He's Russian. He returned home, where he was born, where he has friends, multiple generations of family, decades of memories, and could hope to find some support when shrinking his life to fit in a smaller income. Moreover, he has stated that he'll leave if he can, if that's what is required to work on open-source.

Jesus Christ.

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Post by pxc »

newswasboring wrote: post #206
slowmotiony wrote: post #197

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Right, but it was after the invasion of Georgia, green men in Donetsk, and the annexation of Crimea? So 3 wars started in the span of 10 years and the guy returns because things are cheaper than in the west. Well, I hope he enjoys his beloved home country now. He will have to stay there for quite a while. Edit* looks like he does indeed enjoy it. Good for him. https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/…

Russia does so many bad things that by that argument all Russians should just move out. I dont know what point you are trying to make with the tweet, I have no context there.

The United States would have emptied itself out a long time ago if we followed the same rule, but somehow I don't think that's an outcome this guy feels is necessary, either.
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