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Post by deafpolygon »

luxuryballs wrote: post #236
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

I know we are typically against monopolies (pls don’t flame me) but why should we care if it’s not something that’s actually important like food/water/medicine? I don’t see the sense when the government tries to break up a monopoly like Google for being too good at selling online ads, or likewise worrying about some company dominating augmented reality chips. I’d be more interested in making sure that such technology…

> why should we care if it’s not something that’s actually important

because monopolies can manipulate market and prevent a healthy competition. no competition, means prices will be artificially high.

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Post by jansan »

t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

> Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why?

Simply because performance of mobile phones is not an issue anymore. Nobody cares if one phone is 5% or 5 times faster than the other. I have a 2,5 year old 200€ Chinaphone and performance is not an issue at all. Unlike a few years ago I never even once thought that a slightly faster phone would be any better. That's why.

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Post by [deleted] »

cm2187 wrote: post #66
dangwhy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what does the battery health on the settings app say?

I don't think I have a battery health in settings. The apple store guy ran some sort of remote diagnostic (and there is no way it is at 100% after 4 years of daily usage). My point being that you can't really change those batteries on demand.

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Post by stkdump »

ilyt wrote: post #212
acdha wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You care about single-core performance when you use the web: things like JavaScript processing, layout, etc. will bottleneck on one core and since developers are shipping more code this is probably the most noticeable difference. It's also a little hard to tell in some cases since there are many “native apps” which use an embedded web view for some of their UI. This is important for developers to know about because i…

My phone is aging One Plus 5T and so far I never felt even slight reason to change it. It is just plainly fast enough. Only thing that would make extra performance matter are video games and I don't play those on phone.

I just switched from a OnePlus 5 to a 9 Pro a few weeks back, and it is a noticable improvement. But you are right, while I was on the 5 I thought performance isn't a problem.

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Post by 762236 »

konart wrote: post #25
gbil wrote: post #15

I like my slower android in which I can run my browser engine of choice, install any program I want in an easy way without time limitations and customize it in general as I want. Did I mention that it has a USB-C connector too? Disclaimer: I have an old iphone, used iphone 11 for weeks then went back to Android and I daily drive a M1 Pro Macbook

> in which I can run my browser engine of choice Soon on iOS too, to be fair. USB-C to follow most likely.

Hopefully with USB-3 speeds. Last I understood, the iPhone still transfers data at USB-2 speeds. This is crazy when you want to transfer large videos, or backup.

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Post by flykespice »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #250
herpderperator wrote: post #51

> However, single-core performance is generally considered more important when it comes to overall speed for everyday usage, as most tasks are unable to scale efficiently across multiple cores. Thank you for acknowledging this. I think few people actually appreciate the need for better single-core performance. It's, in comparison, easy to just add more cores and use more power, but what is hard is making one core fas…

"Few people appreciate it" because it's no longer relevant with modern operating systems and programs for the vast majority of users and applications, which is why in almost every market imaginable, CPUs and SoCs have migrated toward higher core counts. It takes a special sort of arrogance to look at literally the entire industry and go "psssst, savages don't know what they're doing. Single core performance is where…

> because it's no longer relevant with modern operating systems and programs for the vast majority of users and applications

The article just proves you wrong

Apple's products are lightyears ahead from Android phones in perfomance. Apple CPU design always put single core perfomance upfront, because they know most application are still optimized to single core usage. how is not not relevant?

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Post by wcfields »

mrtksn wrote: post #239
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

> Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? It's like football game for geeks, it's not a big deal. It's fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. On a more serious note, I prefer Apple's style of doing things and pray to the gods Android doesn't obliterate Apple's OS. Just last week I got my hands on a Amazon Fire TV, it was cool until the AirScreen app s…

> Android and everything it stands for.

Bloat. Virtually every android everything is so bloated that the underlying chip speed gains are rendered useless.

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Post by moolcool »

6nf wrote: post #258
pkulak wrote: post #218

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Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

Apple Silicon benefits from full vertical integration and not having to worry about third parties and their particular needs for the same silicon.

What about Samsung Exynos?

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Post by qball »

CharlesW wrote: post #244
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

> Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Is it? Qualcomm is currently focused on performance in a way that they wouldn't be if Apple hadn't lit a fire under their ass. https://hothardware.com/news/snapdragon-8-gen-3-decimates-ap...

>Qualcomm is currently focused on performance in a way that they wouldn't be if Apple hadn't lit a fire under their ass.

No, Qualcomm has been consistently behind for years.

The reason their chips are doing significantly better now is because it takes a little while for the talent they bought- the people responsible for Apple's current massive lead in the first place- to bear fruit (longer than usual since they were brought on in 2019).

As such, I have reason to suspect they'll have more success going forward until Qualcomm stops paying enough and they go back to Apple; the circle of life. AMD's no stranger to this way of operation; they just re-hire Jim Keller when they get tired of losing to Intel.

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Post by notatoad »

itake wrote: post #29
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #10

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

I use an iPhone X (released 2017) and I wish it kept up with modern app performance requirements. The iPhone X doesn't support built-in OCR in images and apps take 1-2s longer to launch than my iPhone 13. Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

>Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

only if CPU performance plateaus in future generations. as long as new phones keep having drastically better performance, apps will keep updating to use it.

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