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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by oars »

KennyFromIT wrote: post #116
warent wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got you: https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://blog.google/technol... Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google and Alphabet, has announced the release of Bard, an experimental conversational AI service powered by Google's Language Model for Dialogue Applications (LaMDA). Bard seeks to combine the breadth of the world's knowledge with the power, intelligence and creativity of Google's large language models. It draws on informa…

Wow, thank you for that link. Now I have a new bookmarklet... javascript:location.href=' https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url='+encodeURIComponent(locati...

Thanks for the bookmarklet!

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by Octokiddie »

> Beyond our own products, we think it’s important to make it easy, safe and scalable for others to benefit from these advances by building on top of our best models. Next month, we’ll start onboarding individual developers, creators and enterprises so they can try our Generative Language API, initially powered by LaMDA with a range of models to follow. Over time, we intend to create a suite of tools and APIs that will make it easy for others to build more innovative applications with AI. Having the necessary compute power to build reliable and trustworthy AI systems is also crucial to startups, and we are excited to help scale these efforts through our Google Cloud partnerships with Cohere, C3.ai and Anthropic, which was just announced last week. Stay tuned for more developer details soon.

I'm not sure how any Google representative can make such a statement with a straight face at this point. Google has such an abysmal history of pulling the rug out from under third party developers (and users) that it seems irresponsible to trust Google at this point.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by ekanes »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

I think it's the first credible challenge to google's results in 2 ways.

1. People are typing questions into it and finding it hugely useful in ways that overlap with google. It just answers you, and you can ask clarifying questions, argue with it, etc. It's proving useful.

2. More subtly, the excitement around it seems to reveal that people are open to alternatives. For decades, alternative search engines haven't made inroads. If people are typing queries and questions into somewhere new, well that implies they're open to something new. So whether it's chatGPT or bing.com or ... the zeitgeist is shifting.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by dougmwne »

enneff wrote: post #231
dougmwne wrote: post #178

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Because while Google has been researching, OpenAI has been productizing. We will have to judge it once we get access to Bard, but it’s possible Google is years behind on creating a chat model that won’t spew toxic waste, as GPT-3 did when it was first released a few years ago.

I work at google and have used their AI tools and they’re just as impressive as the OpenAI ones (which I use personally, outside of work). Both have been developing products, just google hasn’t released any of them.

Have you done adversarial testing? How easy is it to jailbreak Bard vs. ChatGPT? Can Bard produce code?

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Post by Tepix »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #72
andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

Google was already next when they missed the social media boat. That said, Microsoft is still the second most valuable company in the world a decade after missing out on mobile, so it doesn't really seem like a big deal.

Google has YouTube.

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Post by smoldesu »

gundmc wrote: post #151
smoldesu wrote: post #118

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Sure, I think that's a fair characterization. They have AI-accelerated hardware in client and server-side devices now, as well as a decent catalog of AI-powered demos and features. They're not exactly a leading force in the AI world, but they're dedicated to making the pilgrimage all the same.

If Google isn't a "leading force in the AI world", who would you consider to be the leading forces?

Probably Nvidia and OpenAI, at the moment. Everyone else seems to be following in their footsteps, or putting together the pieces those companies commercialized.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by killjoywashere »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers who would iterate on this and 1000 other technologies 1000 times.

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Post by dbish »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #126
dbish wrote: post #75

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It reminds me of a blander Yann Lecun-like response where he responded on Twitter to a bunch of people saying Facebook ai could have done this and that, without acknowledging they were beat to the (shipping) punch and are now just reacting. Building a roadmap on what is in the zeitgeist and trying to pretend you’re winning a fight you don’t realize you already lost (at least the first battle) is not a way to capture…

What are you referring to? My overall impression of Yann Lecun is he feels quite hamstrung by all the extreme caution at Facebook (which obviously exists at Google too) of releasing anything that could produce content that is in any way objectionable to one of a million different subgroups.

I like Yann and think he’s brilliant and also generally appreciate how he engages on Twitter. However, he spent a lot of time recently downplaying openai and I don’t see why that was needed other then to try to say FAIR is important, see one of the most recent of these related tweets https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1620533783702433792

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Post by twosdai »

brap wrote: post #206

I’m curious to hear why Google isn’t going to win in this AI arms race. The way I see it, Google: * is effectively the gateway to the internet, owning the most popular website in the world, mobile OS, and browser * has infinite LIVE data, both unstructured and structured (knowledge graph) * has infinite compute resources * employs the world’s best AI scientists and invests heavily in AI * has decade(s) of experience…

To add some noise, and my own opinion which had literally no weight.

I think Google's ties to ads is the evil which creates the infinite money and computer and ai scientists etc.. however it's an extreamly negative part of their product suite for the end consumers.

If ads eat the rest of the business faster than they can deliver killer features which make them too good to leave then I think google will be doomed.

If their ads remain in check with their ability to provide great product expiernces then it will likely survive.

I'm optimistic that Google will do well.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by aka878 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #90
enumjorge wrote: post #25

> And today, we’re [...] opening it up to trusted testers ahead of making it more widely available to the public in the coming weeks. It feels like a mistake to make the big announcement for this, but not open it up to a wide audience. It's not like ChatGPT hasn't been out for months now. Not sure how much they gain by making headlines before it's ready for people to play with it.

The announcement is probably targeting Wall Street more than any potential "user" (aka advertising target). The press was already bad - internal "code red" at Google due to panic that people saw ChatGPT as an alternative to search. Meta/FaceBook's head of AI, Yann LeCun, is in similar panic mode, issuing a non-stop torrent of tweets about how useless and unimpressive ChatGPT has... Presumably a reflection that FaceBo…

I don’t understand Yann LeCun‘s reaction considering reputation of the company he works for - they should have already copied and integrated it somewhere.
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