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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by epicureanideal »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #27
JenrHywy wrote: post #5

> When he asked why he was non-inclusive, Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees I always expected capitalism to eat itself, but not like this... not like this.

The full quote from Olohan's filing is kind of peculiar, I'm curious what the deal is with "walking pace": > In response to Olohan’s request during the call for specifics as to why Google believed he was not inclusive, Google’s Employee Investigations team explained that he had shown favoritism towards high performers, which it considered “non-inclusive,” and commented on employees’ walking pace and hustle, which it…

This is the kind of vibe that makes me uninterested in working for FAANGMULAs.

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Post by baumy »

nerdponx wrote: post #194
userbinator wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

where skills and progress are somewhat objective They are, but then there's this other thing called DEI...

I've never seen someone unqualified get hired on DEI grounds, and I haven't seen evidence that it happens elsewhere. I'm not sure what your point is.

I have repeatedly seen this happen personally, and every single person in my professional network who I trust enough to have a candid conversation with on this topic has seen the same at least once (in fairness, that is only 3 people. but broaching this topic with the wrong person is very risky). There's quite a few people in this comment section attesting to this as well.

Is there a threshold you have in mind for a number of people who would need to speak up before you believe they aren't mistaken or lying? Would the only thing that would convince you this is happening be some kind of large scale study? If so, do you honestly believe such a study would ever actually be conducted, or that anyone would be willing to open themselves up to the consequences of gathering evidence on this? Even if someone was willing to try, do you think it would actually be possible to gather evidence that companies discriminate on the basis of gender or race when making hiring decisions?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by roarcher »

riedel wrote: post #212
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

I really wonder about press standards in this case. Both parties are not public figures. Is it normal 8n the US that both are named and pictures are published. I think here in Germany typically at least a pseudonym would be assigned to protect the individuals. Is there any law to protect personality rights in the US?

> Is there any law to protect personality rights in the US?

Not really. Ever see those "Florida Man" memes? The reason that's a thing isn't because people in Florida are particularly crazy. It's because public records are exceptionally easy to access in Florida, and those include police reports. And anything that's public record is fair game for the media.

In some states (I believe Georgia is one), there are regular publications with mugshots of people who were recently arrested in the local area. Not convicted of anything, just arrested. You can buy them at pretty much any gas station or convenience store. Get arrested for, say, public intoxication, and all your friends and acquaintances may just see your photo in the checkout line the next day.

Media vultures will not hesitate to cash in on your humiliation.

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Post by flanked-evergl »

jacooper wrote: post #259
lormayna wrote: post #226

> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

Sorry mate, there is no place for rationality in US diversity politics.

> US diversity politics

This is in no way restricted to US.

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

kbelder wrote: post #225
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women and girls are by far disproportionately the victims of sexual harassment and assault, but that just highlights how much of this women and girls have to deal with. It still leaves a bunch of room for men and boys to get some sexual harassment and assault.

I'm not sure it's as disproportionate as you seem. It may be like physical abuse in a relationship; roughly even between sexes, but reported and documented cases are vastly lopsided by gender.

On the lower end of harassment there is no way catcalling is roughly even between the sexes. In particular venues it might be roughly even, but in the world at large, no way.

On the more violent end of rape the majority of serial rapists I've heard about are men. And while some of them are homosexual rapists, most are heterosexual rapists.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by sgt »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #218
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Not quite as damaging, but I was accused of harassment from some blue-haired weirdo on a video call with nearly a hundred people at work. Like you, this was a person I had zero interaction with prior to the call. I considered getting a lawyer involved because I feared this could blow up, but was talked out of it by my boss, who asked me to apologize and "let's leave it at that".

Didn't the 100 people on the call see that it wasn't harassment? What could possibly have happened to make the weirdo think you were harassing him?

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Post by sokoloff »

HideousKojima wrote: post #223
crossroadsguy wrote: post #162

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The ugly truth is — false sexual harassment complaint is one those things in life you keep hoping and praying it never happens to you. But if it does you’re screwed one way or the other. The stigma that it “automatically” brings just doesn’t go away. It just doesn’t. You forever become “that” person. And I really don’t know how it can be fixed. That’s just how it is.

The Billy Graham/Mike Pence rule is your best bet: don't let yourself be in any situation where a false accusation could arise. Of course you'll be accused of being a sexist/misogynist/whatever instead but that's easier to ignore or overcome than false accusations of sexual harassment.

Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them.

I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

josteink wrote: post #262
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.

Aka: Hire anyone except white, heterosexual males.

Unless you're in traditionally pink collar jobs, in which case they're the ones who would be preferred (except for child care, where men who wish to work in the field are given a long hard look).

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Post by notrealme1234 »

danuker wrote: post #247
jl6 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might get somewhere suing the bank if they caused you any harm.

Maybe the employer also. Acting on unproven accusations is unfair.

As long as you can prove that they acted on that. they gonna come up with anything as real reason.
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