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U.S. accuses Google of abusing monopoly in ad technology

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Post by xxpor »

debacle wrote: post #122
xxpor wrote: post #99

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Agreed on the general point, but it's undeniable that corporatism has used conservative politics as the means to the end they desire. See also: every culture war, the fact that the only thing Republicans can agree on are court appointees and tax cuts.

I don't think you understand the US political system in a nuanced or realistic fashion.

This is impossible to respond to without a point to argue against. IM-not-so-HO, I have fantastic understanding of the political system.

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Post by midoridensha »

brookst wrote: post #256
midoridensha wrote: post #244

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According to a quick google search, iOS has almost 60% marketshare in the US. Many other top-GDP nations are similar. A bunch of people in India using Android isn't much help when you're in a country where most people use Apple. By your logic, most monopolies shouldn't be investigated or regulated at all, because most people on the entire planet don't use their products. One airline is fine, because most humans don't…

Coke has 60% market share for colas in the US. Do your same complaints apply? It all depends on how you define the market. If you’re motivated to desire a certain outcome, it’s easy to define the market in a way to get what you want.

Choosing to drink Coke doesn't force you to eat or drink anything else; there's no customer lock-in possible with a drink, nor any way of using that power to extend market dominance into other sectors.

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Post by neop1x »

minhazm wrote: post #152
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #118

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> it means you have enough control of the market to artificially affect/set the market price for something Does it? Then why isn't every App Store's 30% developer fee a much more obvious monopoly?

I think in the case of Apple it's more difficult to challenge due to the existence of Android. iOS doesn't even have 50% of the market mobile OS market share globally. You can argue Apple has a monopoly on their own products, but then we'd need to also discuss the same for Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo, and any other device that has its own marketplace.

It is not just about AppStore fees but also about the fact that you are forbidden to use any other store to buy/download apps from and you are forbidden use any 3rd-partty payment processor for payments inside your app. They force you to use their systems with 30% cut. That feels anti-competitive quite a lot!

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Post by dang »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14
jeffbee wrote: post #6

It's pretty irritating that in the presence of clear collusion and abuse inflicted upon general consumers of things like eggs and motor fuels and insulin, the administration spends its limited enforcement capacity this way.

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Please don't start this up again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

jeffbee wrote: post #24
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

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As you know, you can't break the rules like this here, regardless of how wrong or annoying someone else is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You have a long history of posting abusively to HN. I don't want to ban you from the "trash heap of this site", but you seem to be completely ignoring all the warnings (I posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33914274 just a few weeks ago) and leaving little alternative. Would you please fix this?

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Post by Closi »

neop1x wrote: post #263
minhazm wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in the case of Apple it's more difficult to challenge due to the existence of Android. iOS doesn't even have 50% of the market mobile OS market share globally. You can argue Apple has a monopoly on their own products, but then we'd need to also discuss the same for Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo, and any other device that has its own marketplace.

It is not just about AppStore fees but also about the fact that you are forbidden to use any other store to buy/download apps from and you are forbidden use any 3rd-partty payment processor for payments inside your app. They force you to use their systems with 30% cut. That feels anti-competitive quite a lot!

Well that's presumably why Apple will allow sideloading in the next version of iOS.

(i.e. in an effort to demonstrate competitiveness)

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