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‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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I would like to say that I'm generally a pretty experienced outdoorsman. I camp, hike, backpack, snowshoe, boulder,sport climb, used to snowboard extensively and do whitewater rafting. I've summitted Mt. Washington, NH in late October, done plenty of hikes from Death Valley and the Mojave to Sequoia NP, to the bright angel trail, etc. Enough to say I've got some experience, and done my fair share of risky stuff.

Most people really should not be in the wilderness. It sounds elitist, but truthfully, the vast majority of people are unable to handle themselves in nature. They can't navigate using a map & compass, they get too close to wildlife and feed them, they don't adequately store their food in animal-resistant containers, don't understand how to treat water and deal with small medical issues, don't understand FIRE RISKS, how to manage fires and simply how to not have fires. They trample off trail and destroy flora. They don't carry first-aid or basic survival kits. They carry inadequate gear. I could go on and on. Most people do not belong in nature.

There are so many facets of safety and competence that go into safely exploring the wild, it's impossible to enumerate them here. Stuff like climate, rockfall risk, relative isolation, tempurature changes between day/night, wind, animal risks, etc. Knowing where you're going, how long it'll take, having a backup plan, leaving an itinerary with a trusted person, knowing the profile & route of your travel, knowing what's likely to go wrong, understanding the danger of drinking untreated water, checking sources to see what potential issues have or may arise commonly, being able to tell direction based on the sun & stars. These are all basic skills of outdoorsmanship that most people do not have.

Sadly, these are mostly types of common sense. The lack thereof is the real issue, not ones experience level. Don't be a dumbass, and you'll probably get out just fine aka: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The other real issue is people not knowing when to suck it up and retreat. Knowing your limits and when to call it quits is more important even than being prepared. One can be a dumbass or unprepared up to a certain point; but beyond that point, there are very real consequences. Knowing when to back out is, in some senses, even more important than being prepared.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Defibrillators are full of capacitors to boost the voltage, not current. They also use carefully located electrodes, and come with a razor to remove body hair to create the ideal conditions to affect the heart because they need to work every time . That has nothing to do with whether residential power is dangerous or not. I said mains voltage won't kill you every time but it definitely can. We wouldn't put it in resi…

Volts and amps are not independent values if you're applying them to the same resistance (you), and you cannot "boost voltage" using capacitors. A capacitor can only charge to the voltage that it is charged with.

Yes, a single capacitor will only hold the voltage applied to it. But after charging each one and cleverly arranging them in series you can hold very high voltages with a bank of them. This is what occurs in a voltage multiplier circuit.

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Acquaintance did some suburban kayaking and didn't see a 3ft drop (some kind of dam or culvert under a bridge) until too late. The fluid mechanics of that drop are such that there is a vortex at the base that makes it difficult to get out. He was able to stand but just barely - scary to think how close a call that was in a pretty innocuous looking setting.

I almost drowned on a beach without surveillance, jumping into the surf waist high, for fun, until suddenly the receding water pulled me just a few meters further away and now I couldn't touch the floor anymore, and was slowly being pulled further and further away from the beach. My girlfriend of the time was on the beach far enough away that she couldn't hear or grasp that I was struggling. By luck and after perhaps…

Drowning doesn't look like drowning. The thing they show in movies or on TV is not what happens so most people have no clue when someone is in trouble. In some cases kids drown in pools while parents are not only present but looking right at them. In others like yours people wave and smile from the beach as the person in the surf is about to die.

Mayo Clinic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0FH9b1LiwY

WebMD Spot the Drowning Person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beNheoRRdKk

Another one is Bondi Beach - you can find episodes on YouTube. There are a bunch of examples of rescues and how little notice any of the people on the beach or other swimmers nearby give to people struggling.

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They teach Motorsport marshals in the UK to always keep the car that has come off-track between yourself and live traffic, and never turn your back to the track. Whatever caused the accident is just as likely to cause another car to go in, ie oil or coolant on track, or even debris from the current incident. Same applies on the roads I guess, especially in poor conditions.

I was military police in Germany for a few months and the one useful thing I learned there is that when you help another car to always protect yourself with their car or your own. So always park behind the stopped car and avoid being in direct line of traffic.

That's police training in the US too.

Also, in confrontations where you are outnumbered, keep one of the suspects between you and the rest. Discourages anybody taking a shot at you when their friend/accomplice is in the line of fire.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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For context, a modern defibrillator is about 3,000 volts and 15 amps.

It seems a bit too much, but in any case it's direct current. Compared to AC there's almost an order of magnitude difference.

It's not just AC vs DC, but frequency changes a lot. High frequency AC can be safe at 30000V can be safe at 10^6 Hz.

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The solution, obviously*, is to just drive faster if you're in a light vehicle, to match the SUV's kinetic energy. If they're going 40 MPH, you just need to go ~60MPH, thanks to the v^2 in the kinetic energy equation. *(/s)

Equality of outcome, that's indeed the modern western take on things. That v² in there also means that, if enough people follow your advice, we'll eventually start seeing SUVs equipped with reactive armor.

An arms race of sorts is inevitable. Your reactive armour will be worthless in the face of my active measures. Innocent casualties are inevitable, but they're the price we pay for freedom.

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I almost drowned on a beach without surveillance, jumping into the surf waist high, for fun, until suddenly the receding water pulled me just a few meters further away and now I couldn't touch the floor anymore, and was slowly being pulled further and further away from the beach. My girlfriend of the time was on the beach far enough away that she couldn't hear or grasp that I was struggling. By luck and after perhaps…

If you aren't strong swimmer you should not play in ocean waves. If you don't know if you are a strong swimmer you are NOT. The ocean doesn't give a shit about your life.

That's just ridiculous. Most public beaches are perfectly safe.

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I'm not sure how we could enumerate all the possible risks in a wilderness or near wilderness setting.

No, but you can know that A people out of 100,000 have died doing B making it less dangerous than C, more dangerous than D and 100x as dangerous as E and so on.

Very relevant XKCD:

https://xkcd.com/795/

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Well he most likely died due to poisoning himself with a misidentified plant that was only ever documented as dangerous in an ancient encyclopedia over 100 years old. Nothing romantic about it, but nothing screaming "no relevant skills", either. Don't think this is the part people romanticize, I think it's the whole "I think careers are a 20th century invention and I don't think I want one" and the "Instead, I will w…

I think the plant itself was a detail. He was likely to hurt himself one way or the other. He was cut off from civilization or help, he didn't know about relatively nearby crossings (having "ditched the map" on purpose) and he had no survival skills. He could have poisoned himself with something else, or been attacked by a wild animal, or treaded on some treacherous ground and broken a leg, all of this outside the re…

You know, I wanted to type out some sassy reply, but I keep failing to put my finger on what's romantic about it (even though I guess I "relate" to that position).

I don't think it's the suicide aspect, and - maybe besides the point - personally I don't think the guy was trying to die (not anymore or less than a freeclimber).

Maybe the Webster 1913 definition for "romantic" can help shed a light:

> Characterized by strangeness or variety; suggestive of adventure; suited to romance; wild; picturesque; -- applied to scenery; as, a romantic landscape.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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I think it's important to note poor planning, unawareness, and frankly stupid, naive, or ignorant decisions can make nearly any environment or activity dangerous. As an example I once got in a car with people I'd just met. After driving a few blocks one of them held a gun to my head. The driver then drove us out to the middle of nowhere... I was convinced I was going to be killed. I couldn't say how long the drive wa…

If you don't mind sharing, what was the reason to get in the car with them to drive? Were you planning to head out to an event like a hike or something that you had arranged online, but hadn't known the people ahead of?
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