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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Pulcinella »

themitigating wrote: post #216
denton-scratch wrote: post #176

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Not really; I refuse to vote for evil politicians (it keeps my karma nice and shiny). Unless voting is mandatory, you can simply not vote for anyone. My practice is to vote for someone that won't win, like the Greens, but for whom my vote might save them their deposit.

Not voting is voting you taking away a vote from one side.

Doesn’t work like that. I’ve had my red team grandparents saying not voting was the same as voting for blue team, and my blue team grandparents saying not voting was the same as voting for red team. Both things can’t be true. And even if they were, then not voting would be the same as voting for every team, in which case the difference in votes between each candidate doesn’t change. Not voting is just not voting.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by celestialcheese »

jbsss wrote: post #65
rychco wrote: post #61

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I think in this case it's fair to assume all the donors here are against right to repair.

That’s a bad assumption. The “DIGITAL RIGHT TO REPAIR COALITION” and “ AGRIBUSINESS ASSOCIATION (NYS)“ were on that list. I’d find it hard to believe they were involved with neutering this bill. I would still agree with you though, most of the orgs on that list were likely at the table attempting to ruin the bill.

Can confirm DIGITAL RIGHT TO REPAIR COALITION is Repair.org and was the opposition to TechNet and all the OEMs lobbying against this bill.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Pulcinella »

0dayz wrote: post #187
Retric wrote: post #184

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That’s only looking at a single election. Being willing to vote for scum means your party is happy to send scum to the next general election, at which point you get to vote for even more scum. Have some standards in the general election and people start looking at scum thinking their not electable.

If you want better politicians, there are two things you can do: Vote in primaries, there are different rules about this but if it means you have to join and participate in party activity to vote for a candidate then so be it. hold them accountable together as ironic as it is: as a lobbying group, or even more grandiose work together with as many citizens of the state (even across the party line, no craziness though)…

Yep don’t forget the second option. Direct action is always possible. I subscribe to a “block of marble” theory of politics: you can always METAPHORICALLY beat those in power into shape.

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Post by maxbond »

themitigating wrote: post #164
katbyte wrote: post #127

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Do not allow corporations to lobby and influence the law. Do no allow politicians to profit from changes to the law (ie playing the stock markets) Companies are not people and do not have rights.

The US Surpreme court ruled they are people. https://www.npr.org/2014/07/28/335288388/when-did-companies-...

It was a normative statement I believe ("companies should not be people and should not have rights") rather than a factual one (I'm sure they're aware & that's why they felt compelled to make the declaration). English is sadly lacking in this regard, where you often get to make a strongly worded statement or an unambiguous statement, but it's very difficult to do both at the same time.

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Post by starkd »

harporoeder wrote: post #48

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Inappropriate place for a "shameless plug". Try starting a new thread?

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Post by armada651 »

nemo44x wrote: post #257
armada651 wrote: post #227

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That kind of cynical thinking is exactly what broke US democracy. Winning at any cost even to the detriment of society as a whole.

It’s from the book “Rules for Radicals” and has been a major part of progressive activists strategy for over 60 years. It works.

I didn't say that it doesn't work. It has been a major part of the anti-abortion and pro-gun movements as well and it has been very effective there.

However your quality of life in society is much more important than any single issue. Knowingly voting for a candidate who is not competent just because you agree with them on a single issue will not solve any of the larger issues in society.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by amelius »

abigail95 wrote: post #240
katbyte wrote: post #127

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Do not allow corporations to lobby and influence the law. Do no allow politicians to profit from changes to the law (ie playing the stock markets) Companies are not people and do not have rights.

But people have rights and just because you organise together as a union or a company, the government can't use that as a backdoor to limit your rights (Citizens United).

Why not? If you organize together that means you have more power than an individual. Governments can and should certainly try to equalize that imbalance where possible and where it makes sense.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

switch007 wrote: post #145
perryizgr8 wrote: post #120

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The error is in trying to handle such a specific situation in the law. This should be sorted out using some form of court. If a customer is unhappy about any aspect of the service from any business, he can approach the court and the judge will decide what is appropriate. No super specific laws.

Courts are indeed famously level playing fields and easy and cheap to access for the common man.

If courts being inaccessible is the problem, then we should solve that. Not introduce insanely specific laws like this which are prone to abuse.

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Post by mjhay »

pibechorro wrote: post #246
noisy_boy wrote: post #192

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> Lo and behold, the airlines have started classifying almost every delay and cancellation as a safety issue Then the regulators should be asking why there are so many safety issues? Seems like by the airlines' own admission, this is a perfect ground for a full investigation and penalties in case the issues are found to be misclassified under the category of safety.

And regulators all the way down.. regulations seldom work without unintended consequences and people finding loopholes or blackmarkets. They do more harm than good.

Personally I think aircraft safety regulations do plenty of good.

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Post by mywacaday »

vlovich123 wrote: post #251
Waterluvian wrote: post #237

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You need to be very very very careful not to disincentivize people declaring safety issues. They should really just unwind the wrong incentive and handle it differently.

Random spot checks of declared safety incidents + serious penalties for fraud (which this is if the companies are lying about safety incidents to avoid paying out compensation) is probably sufficient without changing any regulations in any meaningful way. No regulation is perfect but it’s quite surprising how effective regulations become when you start spot checking whether everyone is being honest.

Penalties need to include individuals and not just companies.
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