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Nearly six in 10 US young adults live within 10 miles of where they grew up

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Re: Nearly six in 10 US young adults live within 10 miles of where they grew up

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Post by jefftk »

refurb wrote: post #236
jefftk wrote: post #216

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I live in one of top 20 densest municipalities in the US (Somerville MA) with 18k people per square mile, and none of those things are an issue here. You can have density without noise.

Having lived in Somerville I’m going to disagree on the “without noise”. Sure it’s not like living next to Times Square but it’s far noisier than a neighborhood of single family homes.

Sorry, shouldn't have phrased this as "without noise". Without that level of noise? Having lived in both East Somerville and West Somerville for almost a decade I've never heard the OP's music (except for porchfest, an annual music festival in the neighborhood), street racing, or continuous dog barking.

When we all have windows open in summer we can hear one of our neighbors' TVs a bit though, and there can be noise between floors of multifamilies.

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Post by 082349872349872 »

082349872349872 wrote: post #217
pessimizer wrote: post #171

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This heavily underestimates the influence of Ezra Pound through his disciple and biographer Eustace Mullins. Butz certainly upped the economic pressure on rural people, but the theory is regular old European conspiratorial antisemitism as revived through Dreyfus, then post-WWI central European "stabbed in the back" fantasies, and interpreted by the fascist Europhile Pound. If the US government hadn't just completed a…

Interesting that these memetics[0] have been ping-ponging back and forth across the Atlantic. If you wish, search my HN comments for what (little) I know about Pound — I had not realised he'd been influential, as I'd thought he'd been dismissed as a crank upon openly embracing fascism[1]. [0] The Master and Margarita is my favourite take on deicide. [1] with the benefit of hindsight, this is perhaps the victors' hist…

I'd indeed missed it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound#Antisemitism,_socia...

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Post by ethanbond »

mcphage wrote: post #214
Alupis wrote: post #209

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I think you are mistaking the European way of policing with how cities are constructed. Most of the problems big cities have in the US come from high tolerance of overt crime, drug abuse, homelessness and more. - things that are mostly not tolerated elsewhere, and used to not be tolerated here either. Half of the names of cities you have lived in are definitely mega-cities, or very close to being a mega-city. Manhatt…

> high tolerance of overt crime I'm curious what you mean by this, given the unusually high incarceration rate in the US.

> it used to not be tolerated here either

Seems pretty evident GP lacks both historical and geographical context.

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Post by dumpsterlid »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #182
zozbot234 wrote: post #178

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It's not the same. Rural areas in Europe (and mostly anywhere else, for that matter; this is not about Euro-exceptionalism) are not 100% residential urban sprawl like the typical U.S. suburb. They have locally densified villages and towns, each with a self-sustaining mix of housing and local business. That's what a sensible model looks like.

The US doesn't keep local businesses the way Europe does. Corporations with local branches is about as close as we get. A small rural CVS next to a small rural Texaco next to a small rural Dennys is a rural town economy.

The Dollar General is basically a pickup with a machine gun in the back going from town to town obliterating local businesses, it is awful

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Post by bluGill »

caned wrote: post #106
bluGill wrote: post #66

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I've live many hours away from my parents, and I no consider it insane to do so. When I lived with my parents I could make a few phone calls and have a dozen people on my roof - now if there is a problem I have to pay a crew even though I know how to do the work (since there are things that cannot be done alone) When my wife and I want a date - too bad: there is no babysitter nearby that will work on Friday night tha…

> However eventually I want to come back home. Make a move before it's too late. Or convince them to move close to you. If you love being with your parents, your window of doing so is fast shrinking. I wish I had understood this sooner.

My dad is already gone, I know exactly what you mean. My wife's family (her mom is gone) is from very far away from my family, so there is no great option for us.

The above isn't just about parents. My siblings, cousins, uncles, aunts.

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Post by marssaxman »

refurb wrote: post #248
sagarm wrote: post #242

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No thanks, leaf blowers and other lawn care equipment is pretty damn noisy. That and the crushing car dependency.

Sounds like it’s not for you. Great. But a lot of people like it, so hey, good for them too! To each his/her own.

It would be great if it could be "to each his/her own". Unfortunately, throughout large parts of the US it is illegal to build anything but low-density suburban-style developments. These laws were largely created out of racism, a reaction to the Great Migration of the 20th century, but now that we're stuck with them it will take decades to clean up the mess.

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Post by refurb »

marssaxman wrote: post #266
refurb wrote: post #248

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Sounds like it’s not for you. Great. But a lot of people like it, so hey, good for them too! To each his/her own.

It would be great if it could be "to each his/her own". Unfortunately, throughout large parts of the US it is illegal to build anything but low-density suburban-style developments. These laws were largely created out of racism, a reaction to the Great Migration of the 20th century, but now that we're stuck with them it will take decades to clean up the mess.

Wait, I thought people didn’t want to live in the suburbs? You saying if they built low rise medium density housing in the ‘burbs people would live there? What’s the point?

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Post by marssaxman »

refurb wrote: post #267
marssaxman wrote: post #266

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It would be great if it could be "to each his/her own". Unfortunately, throughout large parts of the US it is illegal to build anything but low-density suburban-style developments. These laws were largely created out of racism, a reaction to the Great Migration of the 20th century, but now that we're stuck with them it will take decades to clean up the mess.

Wait, I thought people didn’t want to live in the suburbs? You saying if they built low rise medium density housing in the ‘burbs people would live there? What’s the point?

Some people would prefer not to live in the suburbs, but do so anyway, because they can't afford anything else.

If it were legal to build low-rise, medium-density housing throughout the cities, more people would choose to live there, rather than the suburbs, because commuting sucks and city amenities are great.

Instead, restrictive zoning codes set aside large swaths of the city for single-family homes; the large plots of land they occupy mean that only rich people can afford them, which forces everyone else to compete for a limited number of apartments. Land for apartments being artificially limited means that construction cannot keep up with demand, so apartment prices rise too. The working class get forced out to the suburbs; eventually the middle-class have to go, too, whether they like it or not.

We should repeal these zoning codes and let people build dense housing wherever it's economically justified. Then, the choice really could be "to each his/her own": people who genuinely prefer to live in the suburbs could still go there, while people who would rather live in the city could do that instead.

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Post by [deleted] »

marssaxman wrote: post #268
refurb wrote: post #267

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Wait, I thought people didn’t want to live in the suburbs? You saying if they built low rise medium density housing in the ‘burbs people would live there? What’s the point?

Some people would prefer not to live in the suburbs, but do so anyway, because they can't afford anything else. If it were legal to build low-rise, medium-density housing throughout the cities , more people would choose to live there, rather than the suburbs, because commuting sucks and city amenities are great. Instead, restrictive zoning codes set aside large swaths of the city for single-family homes; the large pl…

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Post by ethanbond »

PebblesRox wrote: post #223
ethanbond wrote: post #158

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Oh... it sounds like you're saying the proposal is to actually convert all existing developed land to 5+1. I don't think that's anyone's proposal? Upzoning does not mean you automatically get a building at maximum allowed density, it means you increase what is allowed and let the market decide what makes sense where. It would play out exactly as you describe.

I think the point is that not all the suburban sprawl will get converted to 5+1 so some of it's going to decay/devolve.

Ah, I see. Yeah. Undoing decades of malinvestment at the lowest levels of infrastructure is going to have some sharp edges.
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