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Wiring my home with fiber

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Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by midoridensha »

kortilla wrote: post #179
latchkey wrote: post #110

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I'm sorry, but it isn't that hard, really. Also, awkward to talk about how you pay someone a barely living wage as an excuse to not do it yourself.

> Also, awkward to talk about how you pay someone a barely living wage as an excuse to not do it yourself. Guess how much they make if you don’t pay them? It’s better for everyone if someone who can make more money per hour uses that higher earning power to offload lower income tasks to people in those jobs.

Exactly. This is why it's immoral to cook your own food for dinner, for instance, instead of going to a restaurant or hiring a personal chef.

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Post by tristor »

I ran fiber between the network core and my bedroom (which housed my home lab) at my parents old house circa 2004, because I got access to cheap fiber and a fusion splicer through school at the time. I’ve never run fiber since because the usefulness of POE outweighs any benefits fiber might bring and STP is good enough in home environments.

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Post by sschueller »

mrb wrote: post #255
sschueller wrote: post #79

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I have no experience with terminating connectors directly. There appear to be all kinds available, even ones with gel inside them but they suffer a lot more loss than if I splice a fiber. Using the splicer gave me the flexibility to splice pig-tail ends or just two fibers together with a small loss.

I have no experience either. But terminating seems easy, for example this guy is terminating singlemode fiber in just a few minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKDYw0jPskc&t=2m35s He uses DINTEK Singlemode ezi-FIBER Connectors which have a low loss of 0.1-0.2 dB: https://www.dintek.com.tw/index.php/singlemode-ezi-fiber-con... Such a low loss seems to be a non-issue for short fiber runs in a single residence, and…

My loss per splice was around 0.01 dB to 0.02 dB according to the splicer.

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Post by yuvadam »

y04nn wrote: post #213
yuvadam wrote: post #209

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Any reason you can't use pre-terminated fiber?

I have to pass the fiber cable through conduits that are not very large and they are not straight. So I will need to use a pull line. Using pre-terminated fiber will either bock or destroy the connector.

A single LC connector (used on a bidi transceiver) has no problem going through 16mm conduit

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by DeathArrow »

avidiax wrote: post #220
DeathArrow wrote: post #169

Is there a cheap as in < $1000 router with 10GbE (for fiber or copper) ports?

https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs You pay the SFP module tax on every port for that model, and also have a loud fan. You also probably can't put a copper SFP module in every cage without overheating. https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009upr_s_in That will let you receive 10Gbps fiber, and maybe route 3Gbps or so. No fans. No SFP module tax. And PoE on every port. Mikrotik is definitely missing a product t…

I need 10Gbps in, two 10Gbps out and another 1Gbit out if it doesn't have WiFi.

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Post by DeathArrow »

nullify88 wrote: post #186
DeathArrow wrote: post #169

Is there a cheap as in < $1000 router with 10GbE (for fiber or copper) ports?

Mikrotik has some very affordable & capable routers under $1000 with SPF or SPF+. Depends on how many ports, but they'd start with RB5009UG+S+IN which has a suggested retail price of $219.

Thanks I will give Mikrotik a look.

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Post by fulafel »

DeathArrow wrote: post #265
avidiax wrote: post #220

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https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs You pay the SFP module tax on every port for that model, and also have a loud fan. You also probably can't put a copper SFP module in every cage without overheating. https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009upr_s_in That will let you receive 10Gbps fiber, and maybe route 3Gbps or so. No fans. No SFP module tax. And PoE on every port. Mikrotik is definitely missing a product t…

I need 10Gbps in, two 10Gbps out and another 1Gbit out if it doesn't have WiFi.

Routing performance is often lower than switching/bridging performance.

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Post by minus7 »

archi42 wrote: post #217
minus7 wrote: post #75

I also installed fiber a while ago after being told "this isn't hard" by Michael Stapelberg's post [1]. Luckily I managed to get by with patch cables; a 30m cables really goes a long way! I even managed to get a duplex LC through a 16mm conduit with a pretty tight 90° bend, but just with lube, quite some force and luck. I can just recommend going for it if you're curious. Cables and tranceivers really aren't expensiv…

Kudos for pulling those through these small conduits :) For anyone trying to emulate this: I would very much NOT recommend using 16mm conduits for LC duplex patch cables. It's doable for some short/straight runs, but the connectors like to get stuck in bends. For me it was the final r=3cm bend in a ~20m conduit. I ended up pulling Cat7 into that conduit and routed the fiber through a tree-like network of wider backup…

You can also use a pre-polished connector instead of splicing

e.g.: https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/35165.html (there's instructions if you scroll down)

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Post by wyclif »

Aeolun wrote: post #222
lazide wrote: post #163

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Hence one reason why DIY is nearly unheard of in most of Europe and Asia (that and lack of space for tools).

Europeans are the most inclined to modify stuff around their homes in my experience. In Asia I don’t see it at all.

Yes, here in SE Asia almost nobody who owns a home does the work, there's a very strong culture of hiring someone to do it.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by wyclif »

akvadrako wrote: post #108
latchkey wrote: post #66

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I'm currently in the process of literally tearing down walls in my old house (built in the 40's). I used to fear smashing into walls. Once you do a bit of drywall and mud yourself, you realize it isn't that big of a deal. Everything I've learned has been off YT videos and there are some excellent channels with all of the professional tips and tricks. It isn't rocket science by a long shot.

I agree it isn't rocket science, but plastering if one of those things best left to professionals, much more so than plumbing or electrical for instance. They usually make near minimum wage, are just so much faster and produce a better result. I've started plastering a few of my walls and after wasting a couple days doing a few square meters ended up hiring a couple guys to do the rest of the house. There is just no…

I used to hang drywall when I was young and got pretty good at making a wall look completely smooth with no seams visible. But it's something that is so much more efficient to leave to the pros because they just do it so much faster than the DIY homeowner can, and it always looks better.
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