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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by zamalek »

runjake wrote: post #187
deergomoo wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

This isn't really a viable excuse. Silverblue is also immutable and updates are applied in under 10 seconds prior to reboot (which is never affected by updates).

Coming from Windows and Linux, macOS had been a very unpleasant experience for me. It's full of papercuts.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by insane_dreamer »

blackSnake wrote: post #220
rcarr wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for Alfred. Amazing software.

++2 for Alfred. AND it has plugins so you can search your Chrome or Brave tabs with Alfred as well. I just hit CMD + Shift + T and it'll search all my open tabs without the browser being in focus. I had to pay but it wasn't much. Use it everyday! https://github.com/epilande/alfred-browser-tabs

oooh, I hadn't seen that plugin before; nice

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by kevinpet »

ezfe wrote: post #36
galoisscobi wrote: post #9

I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish som…

I'm updating for these features: better iMessage (editing / unsending / mark as unread), Shared iCloud Photo Library, duplicate detection in Photos, Continuity Camera, Weather app, multi-stop Maps routing

> duplicate detection in Photos

What? Finally!

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by russellbeattie »

I don't use Safari, Mail, Photos, iCloud or Spotlight (except to start apps - I deselect all the other options), and only activate the sidebar/widgets on accident (out of sight, out of mind). Nor do I own an iPad or play games on my Mac. I'm sure I'll never use Stage Manager and hope it's something I can turn off.

In short, this upgrade is simply an hour or so of annoyance, but Apple is Apple. You take the good with the bad. I have a dream - which will never happen - of a "MinMac" setting on install where you just get the least amount of cruft possible.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by LeoPanthera »

chongli wrote: post #23
zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

Finder -> Preferences -> Advanced. When performing a search: Search the current folder

Well yes but in Ventura "Preferences" is now "Settings".

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by js2 »

baal80spam wrote: post #203
runjake wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

> on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image TIL

Apple switched to a read-only system volume beginning with macOS Catalina, released 3 years ago.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210650

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Post by vbernat »

vbezhenar wrote: post #216
throwup wrote: post #205

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That can't be the whole story. If we assume the drive can write 500MB/s (conservative), and an OS install takes up 50GB of space (conservative), it should take less than 2 minutes to write the partition. Where does the other 58 minutes go?

I wondered the same about Linux installers. I'm installing some kind of debian minimal which will take 300 MB on disk. It should be installed in a fraction of the second. Instead it takes minutes. All installer should do is: dd pre-assembled Ext3 filesystem from ISO to disk; extend filesystem to the desired size; write some configs like fstab. It could be really fast. My guess is that nobody really took the time to o…

What you describe is the cloud image. You can dd it to your hard drive and it should work as is (initial password will be displayed on first boot).

As for Debian, the slowness comes mostly for fsync calls I think. You should be able to use eatmydata to avoid this. See: https://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Quicker_Debian_insta...

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Post by antipaul »

galoisscobi wrote: post #9

I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish som…

For keyboard control, I've gotten into using "Hide " or "Hide others" cmd(-option)-h

This keeps the workspace nice and clean

For switching apps, either cmd-tab or cmd-` or with Alfred App

Indeed, for moving windows to left/right/etc, you may need an app like Rectangle

You _could_ add custom shortcuts in Settings - Keyboard for menu items like Zoom or "Move Window to Left Side of Screen" but it's a bit limited.

What is missing? I guess some people like live preview in cmd-tab, but I've been ok without it.

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Post by Nextgrid »

runjake wrote: post #187
deergomoo wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Because on newer Macs, it’s rewriting the whole OS partition with a new firmware image, much like iOS and IPSW files. Windows, on the other hand, generally does incremental upgrades.

Windows' updates got much less granular since Windows 10. It used to be that updates were delivered in individual packages that can be installed and uninstalled independently (within reason).

Nowadays more and more updates come in a "rollup" package which is a bundle of many updates and it's take it or leave it. Even worse, some of the bigger feature updates are actually full OS reinstalls under the hood.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by singularity2001 »

yodsanklai wrote: post #242
zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

> Spotlight is still mostly useless. I use it all the time to run binaries. For instance, "cmd-space mail". I wouldn't know the names of the files I want to search anyway.

after many years I still often type "⌘space email" and find nothing.
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